Trump ends decades-long White House tradition of celebrating Ramadan

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    While many western politicians are proud to know Quran,a conversion to Islam is politically correct and cool, Trump refuses to subvert himself to this political ideology.Especially in Europa most of 'politicians' regular visit Mosques and words of imams are more important for them as Constitutions or Laws.A good decision, Trump!

    Donald Trump ends decades-long White House tradition of celebrating Ramadan with iftar dinner

    Donald Trump’s government has not held an iftar dinner for the end of Ramadan, breaking a Muslim tradition held at the White House for more than two centuries.

    The iftar dinner occurs at sunset at the end of the holy month of Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islam lunar calendar and a time of prayer, reflection and fasting
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-ramadan-fast-religious-freedom-a7806836.html
     
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    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Already a thread.

    Cheers,
    Jason Bourne
     
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    *shrugs* Don't get why non-muslim would be celebrating it. Do not see crowds of muslims visiting graves on Easter, for example.
     
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    It's a matter of respect for the religion of Islam. During Easter do you see Muslims defiling Christian rites? No.

    It's a matter of religious tolerance and caring about our fellow man instead of being narrow minded and misinformed bigots.

    It's time to put aside religious bias and become educated about the world's diverse religions.

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    Well considering that there has never been a Muslim President in the US I'm actually more surprised to hear that there ever was an Iftar dinner in the White House. I know I never got an invite.
     
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    Is egg-hunting in graveyards really a thing?
     
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    Don't do that. Let 'em learn like France is learning why respect is important.
     
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    Western politicians want to replace white christian man by Muslim Africans and Asians therefore they make Islam extremely attractive and in.For example many schools in Europa have no pork anymore, only halal beef purchased by Muslim slaughterhouses. Many european schools sell nothing while Ramadan and christian children can neither drink or drink. In Germany children are enforced to visit Mosques, if parents are against they can be sued by a court.
    https://www.shz.de/lokales/norddeut...ee-eltern-muessen-vor-gericht-id17080801.html
    Europa is finished, in twenty years a bunch of caliphates will govern these former christian countries.
     
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    Especially about a Religion of Peace which wants you in peaces.
     
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    When has mainstream Islam suggested that?

    Cheers,
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    But it's not his religion. Our federal president does not celebrates end of Ramadan either. President of Chechen republic does celebrates end of Ramadan. President of Bashkortostan republic does celebrates end of Ramadan. Quite simply, because both have been, more or less, fasting for a month.

    Ramadan, to be precise, is a months of fasting, that ENDS with celebration, called Eid al-Fitr, or Uraza Baireme in turkish, a feast for faithful who endured the fasting.

    So, first of all - you do not exactly celebrate Ramadan, it's a month, not a holyday, and to participate in the feast after you kinda should be fasting, if you are wishing to show respect to this religion's tradition. Otherwise it is like geing a guest of onther people's feast. You're welcome, but not exactly very fit to be there.
     
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    Well, good on Trump for taking this small stand.


    Yes, not having a tribal celebration in a white American household really defies Muslim rights.


    Vacuous, virtue signalling bullshit. And genuinely Islsmaphobic.
     
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    Not exactly, I forgot the cultural difference. No, it's not about egg-hunting.

    In Orthodox Christianity on Easter celebrated Paskha - with a specific rites on each day of Holy Week, with, on thursday, being a Paskha of Dead, day when graves of ancestors visited, tidied up, with treats left for strangers to.. Erm, "wake". As in there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_(ceremony) - but not exactly.. Basically, it is sort of deal. Stranger takes treat, and in return prays for deceased.
    But since majority of people are not able to do that in middle of week, due to working, unofficially rite got pushed to saturday and sunday, and most of time people visit graves in morning and celebrate actual Easter in evening, and instead of hunting for eggs leave them among treats on graves of deceased relatives. It... Is a bit byzarre, I guess. ^^'

    And actually a good example of how and why, if you want to get involved in other culture, you have to be understanding it first. Otherwise it is just sort of empty show off, I guess.
     
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    Well, sucks to be these guys. Never had problems with pork being absent in school and college where I live. And never have seen a single muslim that would've been forced to eat if they did not wanted to.

    I've people getting poisoned with food in caffeteria, when new college administration changed supplier of food for kitchen, but that's whole other kind of story...
     
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    It kinda sounds like a way to attract more insects to finish of decaying ancestors.
     
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    It would be nice if he acknowledged the holiday, but so what? He isn't Muslim, is he?
     
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    Most people don't realize that under certain conditions Muslims can eat pork, but they did take pork off the menu of most jails and prisons I'm aware of.
     
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    If Donald Trump came out and claimed to be Muslim, heads would be exploding left & right
     
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    Well, thanks for your prieceless opinion on traditions of my people, albeit it is not correct.
     
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    As I said - live in multireligious country for my whole life, never saw such stupidity performed there.
     
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    Well please share with me what logic you read into such traditions.
     
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    Logic: people TAKE treats and pray for dead. And if not - there are always birds to take care of them.

    And nowadays - corpses cremated, graves have cement plates on them, and there always are workers of graveyard, who can clear gravesight. On top of that - nobody leaves there, for exmaple, a cake. Usually there either left candies, butterbrots on top of glass of, usually, vodka, and cigarettes. Pieces of paskha on paper plate. Well, AND the painted boiled eggs, of course. Things that do not last long untouched, do not get dirty fast, and that not dangerous for birds.


    In the past it pretty much was a way to get people to pray for your relatives in their afterlife. It was, and for some people still is, important. There are no innocent people, and sins in earthly life reflect on life after death - and prays of living lighten the burden of the dead. This is spiritual belief, that may not have much of a material, practical use behind it. A religious rite
     
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    With time, we learn to return to fundamentals : french laicity, our politicians aren't supposed to speak of religion, to mention religion or to celebrate anything as a politician. When it's their private life, they can do what they want.
     
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    Shrug ... Muslims are minority in the USA and didn't know that they did it at all... also is there freedom of religion in constitution written and anyone can do what he wants, eh?
     
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    Okay look, the dead cannot eat or drink anything. So other than giving the janitor something to do for the day, what is the purpose of leaving consumables at a grave site? If you want to light a candle and pray then there is no harm in that, but leaving biodegradables only ends in one outcome.
     

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