Trump fans and tax reform

You're blue state politics are the policies that hurt blue states, it isn't the feds that legislate state taxes and fees. I'll wager Trump supporters in blue states will get the tax breaks the red states do. Remember about half the country doesn't pay any or very little federal income tax. Remember the 47%?

 

As they've done under all presidents.

 

Wasn't it the Hildibeast that blew through 1.3 billion dollars this past election?

 

That is exactly what I have been saying. You must have gotten confused. Were you talking about me? You failed to use the quote function so no one knows which poster you are talking about.

Do you know how to use the quote function? It is pretty simple. Click on "Reply" bottom right of the post and write your message.

 

No arguement there. But the statement was made that the establishment lost. I see no evidence in the Trump cabinet but then I think of the establishment as the wealthy who really run the country while many think of the establishment as being career politicians. Opinions differ.

 

The media is busy talking about Trump's tax reform plan, but they are falling for Trump's ruses. For example, Mulvaney recently stated that he talked to Trump about making some changes to Social Security and Medicare, and he informed his audience that Trump was steadfast. There will be no changes to Social Security or Medicare, and, supposedly, we should be thankful to President Trump for his courage.

B.S. No political party in its right mind will touch Social Security or Medicare. They are earned benefits, not welfare. Mulvaney was lying, and that seems to be a popular tactic by the Trump White House.

Another red herring was the investments in IRA's. Once again, we must thank President Trump for not wanting to punish Americans who wish to save for their retirement. More B.S. from the Trump White House. That was never a possibility. Trump is dumb, but he is not stupid. The stock market is soaring and the naive think Trump has something to do with that. Not even Trump is dumb enough to stifle the stock market.

Still another red herring is discussion about a fourth tax bracket for the rich. There has been lively discussion about this, but the possibility that Trump will increases taxes on himself, his family, and his close associates and friends is remote. We can all dream, though.

All this talk about what is not in Trump's tax reform plans precludes the media talking about what is in Trump's tax reform plans. There has been no mention of the loss of property taxes and medical expenses as a deduction. Rarely have I heard the loss of state income taxes as a deduction.

I don't understand that. Millions of people will be negatively affected by the loss of these deductions. One would think this would be discussed on the major networks. Maybe, I am just watching the wrong networks.

 

I knew this would happen because Trumpians have a tendency to avoid reality. This is a Trump supporter who just doesn't want to accept that Trump is going to be giving him the shaft.

 

Wheee! I'm going out on a limb here and saying you voted for Trump. Your keen logic gives you away.

You are right about one thing. The vast majority of the 47% who don't pay taxes live in the red states. Those of us living in the blue states fund your survival.

 

"He [Trump] was elected by angry people."

I noticed you didn't deny that.

 

As usual, you people are putting the cart in front of the donkey. There is NO tax package! There is NO tax package! There is NO tax package!

The various parts of a tax package are under review in both houses of congress. Every now and then a leak will occur to see the public reaction to one idea or another.

One thing I do believe is that Trump is first, last and always for the American worker and the American family - he doesn't care what any of the political class or MSM or elitists think - but he cares deeply what we think - ignore their words and look at Trumps actions because all of their rhetoric and crying won't change the truth.

To date, Trumps actions have spurred the fastest growth in stock market history and the lowest unemployment in 45 years - those are facts the left can try to twist, but can never change. Trump is OUR guy - he cares about US.

 

Hey, genius, we are discussing Trump's tax reform plans. Get with the program. Here, this will bring you up to speed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tax-brackets-trump-tax-plan-chart-2017-9

Trump is all for the American worker. That is why he has devised a simple tax return, increased the standard deduction so high school educated and less don't strain themselves filling out a tax return.

He is not for the American family with a house, the American family with a businessman or professional as head of household. The American family living in a blue state with high income taxes, the states mentioned in the OP. Did you even read the OP? That family gets the shaft.

Don't worry, we will pay for your tax benefits. We always have taken care of the red states. We will continue to do so.

 

Trump's lies are about 467 to1 when it comes to Hillary, the serial liar.

 

I would never deny I'm not angry with what's been happening for the last 30 years. The Democrat and Republican establishment have been turning this country into backwater sh*thole unchecked for years. The thing you tools of the establishment don't get is many of us Trump voters would have voted for Trump even if he ran as a democrat with the campaign he presented.

 

Be honest the 47% that live in Red states live in the metro areas mostly run by DEMOCRATS.

 

Could it be the statement made by Mr. Mulvaney was to head off any Democrat organization from showing the President pushing Granny off the cliff in their next batch of ads? You know, go on the record.

 

Right, and your solution is ...

Electing a President who knows nothing about governance, legislative matters, foreign relations, and a Commander-in-Chief who knows nothing about the military?

That is your solution to the problem? Wonderful. Trump's whole base thinks like that.

Amazing, positively amazing. Did you graduate from high school? Grade school?

 

In reality it was America's solution to the corrupt culture in DC.

 

Do you just make these things up as you go along?

 

No. Mulvaney made up an issue that wasn't there to make Trump look good. His statement was a total lie. Absolutely no one, not in Congress, not in the White House, was suggesting making modifications to Social Security or Medicare. Why? Such a suggestion is political suicide. You are reminded both SS and Medicare are earned benefits, not welfare. Indeed, in the case of Medicare, we are paying for it every month. Did you know that?

It was a transparent, foolish ruse by the Trump White House. Trump continues to think Americans are as stupid as he is. According to the White House, we are supposed to thank Trump for what he is not doing. He isn't going to touch SS. He isn't going to touch Medicare. He isn't going to punish those investing in IRA's. There isn't going to be a fourth tax bracket for the wealthy. That is a lie to quiet the liberals.

Trump is a con man, and, if it means he has to lie, he will lie and so will his advisors like Mulvaney and Republican lawmakers who support his tax plan. According to them, the middle class will get rich off of Trump's tax plan. That's a lie, too.

What is likely is the reduction of the tax on S corporations, partnerships and sole proprietorships to 25%. Guess what type of businesses Trump owns.

They don't dare speak of the state income taxes, property taxes, and medical expenses which will no longer be deductible. For the average middle class individual, those are three of the most important deductions he/she has.

 

Facts are on my side, do a search for Who runs Major American cities and poverty. Come back if you dare to refute me.

 

Sarah Sanders, the spokesperson for the Trump White House, told us that 20% of Americans itemize deductions. That is false. 30.1% itemize their deductions, and that is 44 million returns. Since many of those returns involve a husband and wife, it is safe to add another 22 million Americans, and the vast percentage of those 66 million people are middle class.

When asked about the loss of state income taxes, property taxes, and medical expenses as a deduction, it is safe to say Sanders lied. She said there were other deductions offsetting the ones 66 million Americans would lose.

Unfortunately, she provided no information on what she was talking about, and no one else has any idea.

Indeed, the entire White House, including Trump himself, is absolutely silent on those issues.

Of course, that stands to reason. Trump has absolutely no idea what is going on with tax reform.

The sad part is, neither do Americans.

 

You do your research to support your arguments. I'll do mine.

You would love to have me waste my time proving your point. Aw, hell, it's not that important in the first place.

 

Well he did................Medicare has been cut. Poor, young and elderly pays for wealthy tax cuts !
Republicans on Thursday muscled a $4 trillion budget through the Senate in a major step forward for President Donald Trump's ambitious promise of "massive tax cuts and reform." the nonbinding budget resolution is supposed to lay out a long-term fiscal framework for the government. This year's measure calls for $473 billion in cuts from Medicare over 10 years and more than $1 trillion from Medicaid. All told, Senate Republicans would cut spending by more than $5 trillion over a decade,

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/senate-republicans-cruise-passage-budget-plan-50580737

 

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/e...center-is-run-by-democrats-heres-the-solution
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/213333/big-dem-cities-big-dem-poverty-arnold-ahlert
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...cratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

 

Conceptually, why should the federal government be "punished" because a particular state decides that they want a high state income tax rate ?

Why should residents in a high state income tax location have less responsibility to the federal government than does their counterparts in a lower state income tax location?