Trump Greenland: US president 'mulls buying island from Denmark'

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Come again?

    Greenland is covered by NATO.

    You are the one bringing up Red Dawn, not me.
     
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    Instead of the hyperboles about crimes and misdemeanors, how about telling us what Trump did so we can reach our own conclusion?

    As for a Civil war, well we've been in it from the time the Dems refused to accept the election results and began their farce about a Russian collusion.





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    I wouldn't pay too much heed to what scientists say because they're usually wrong. Either that or they're not telling us the truth. As an example, I watch an amateur called Dutchsinse on YouTube who follows the magma swarms and has been predicting earthquakes accurately for years.

    The geologists hate him for it, since they have always insisted that earthquakes can't be predicted so instead of building on his knowledge in order to minimize the deaths and damage from a quake, they harass him for proving them wrong.


    Anyway the point is that the earthquakes are much more frequent as well as volcanic eruptions, which means the earth is heating up. It probably has something to do with the sun, but not because of emissions or anything that man is doing - except maybe our sins.

    Seems like the world is in for some very bad times. It took one major eruption in 536 AD to throw the world into the dark ages with its famines, invasions, plagues, etc., etc.
     
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    The amount of fracking is unbelievable and for what? It's still cheaper to buy gas from Russia - which we are doing by the way and then selling it to Poland at a higher price. You figure! Anyway our sanctions are only for others to follow, not us. I mean we have to have enemies, otherwise how can our military industrial complex stay well endowed.




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    I see you long for the time when the US bought and sold people.

    Greenland cannot be for sale. Trump would have all the ice melted by Christmas. On the other hand he may as I said earlier be wanting Greenland for refuge for himself and friends and family to escape catastrophic climate change which he is encouraging. Either way, Greenland does not belong to Trump or the US and will not. It belongs to Denmark until the citizens of Greenland vote for Independence then it belongs to them. They will be one of the last destroyed by climate disaster and may be one of the few people to survive. Why on earth would anyone 'sell' this to the biggest contributor to climate destruction and one who is refusing to stop and work to stop disaster.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am sorry to see you are fool enough not to listen concerning climate disaster. Time is running out.
     
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    Greenland is an autonomous region, essentially their own sovereign nation. Greenlanders are noted the world over as being a unique people. Read Smilla's Sense of Snow if you want to read a novel where one is depicted as the main character. (a hauntingly strange tale)

    That being said Trump now joins the Blue Tick as being one who thinks he is the Emperor of Greenland

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_(comics)
     
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    How do you see that? When has the US bought and sold people?

    Reading Palestinian propaganda much, alexa?
     
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    OMG how lacking in knowledge are some people? The US bought and sold people as slaves. If you buy a country you are buying the citizens of that country - though possibly you would want to deport them all. You have zero right to buy Greenland and it would not be good for the citizens of Greenland or the world as has been well explained.
    Talk about a one trip pony. Stop projecting where you get your ideas from on me.
     
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    What crap, alexa! Go take care of your grandchildren or something :hug:
     
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    Folks with those "liberals" forever festering in their noggins should be well aware of China's imperialistic designs on Africa - which is why Trump really wants to further bloat the national debt considerably by buying Africa - or, preferably, China. (He has proclaimed himself the "King of Debt!")

    Trump's buying China would 1) End his disastrous trade war, 2) Cause Little Rocket Man to exclaim "There goes the neighborhood!" and 3) Allow him to pleasure himself in the shadow of a real "big, beautiful wall."
     
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    Actually, it may turn out the other way around:
     
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    I'm a firm believer that climate change has been the indirect cause of every change in world history - good and bad, but the change had nothing to do with man. Nor is climate change something that could be controlled manually throughout the world. The best would be for individuals to adapt to it through more self sufficiency and being less dependent on goods coming in from other areas.

    This is what governments should be encouraging - not that ours would ever do so. Washington believes that if people are frightened it will hinder commerce. Better we die I guess.


    As for the methane, is it coming from fracking or from the volcanos which are somehow becoming more active - especially in the oceans? There is about a million of them along the Atlantic ridge alone. Not that fracking shouldn't be stopped. It's destroying our country - among everything else like for instance the plastics which are now a hundred times more than they were when they started the recycling farce. The worse though is that they are found in the fish we eat..
     
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    I would so love for an association of politically-sensible (ie conservative) scientists to get together and deliver their judgements on things like microplastics found in fish, and so on. It's hard to know whom to trust, when things have become so politicized.

    The Left don't like capitalism and tend to exaggerate its ills. The Right love it too much and tend to cover up its ills.
     
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    love it, Denmark Offers to Buy U.S.
     
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    What you may not understand is that the world's comedians -- there are thousands of them all over the world -- have this fund, from which they pay Mr Trump to provide them with fresh material.

    That's why I think he's going to win in 2020 ... he'll have these folks behind him, ridiculing and mocking his Democratic opposition, because, dear God, can you imagine that grim old scold Elizabeth Warren in the White House -- the vein of comedic material would dry up immediately.
    Joe Biden, on the other hand ...
     
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    Really, you are the first person I have heard suggest that.

    Well you are wrong there and that is where you are a climate denier. I do accept that from what you say later you do have conscience on this. However by not understanding that this is largely human made you are ruling out fighting for survival. Nothing nature has ever done has put us in such a catastrophic situation so quickly. Scientists are now talking about us being in the 6th Extinction. It has been known we were likely on a course similar to this from very near the beginning of Industrialisation and that it was Industrialisation which was causing it. Most of the damage has been done from '75 and the very worst damage from the 90's when we knew we had to start working hard or we were in serious trouble. Fossil Fuel companies paid Scientists to say it was not true. None of them say that now. You have teenage Grandchildren do you not? By the most conservative estimates they will be lucky to see old age, for their children, not a chance. However it is now known that things are accelerating at such a rate that even you may experience some of the worst effects - an example would be the end of our way of life and with that mass starvation. Natural changes may have a little to do with it but this one has been created by human beings to make money particularly since they knew they were destroying the planet. All scientists now know that human beings are responsible. In that you have your head in the sand and are ruling out providing help for your grandson's children and even him.

    There is plenty which can be done and living off grid is certainly something but this requires all of the world to work together. The future sees millions of refugees, wars and so on to deal with it. It demands a totally different way of living than we have now...and there is a lot we could have done. We could have stopped this long before it got to this point. We could have stopped this while we still had the possibility to do minimal damage. Now we have done sufficient damage that scientists are now saying we face near term extinction. There is a lot which can and should be being done but the first thing is that people need to become aware of what is happening. There appears to be a fear that telling them will get people feeling hopeless. It is not good reading but the one thing that is still possible is to limit the extent of it and to work to move people out of areas which will be damaged, to work out policies on how we are going to get water to where people need it, how we can manage to get people surviving. That requires a very different form of living to the one which we have now....and that is why we now have groups like Extinction Rebellion who know that Governments are answering to the money of the Fossil Fuel providers rather than the right of future generations to live.

    Even the majority of climate scientists believe that if people were told now how serious things are they would lose hope and live in fear and possibly become psychologically damaged. You are right though that looking after commerce is one of the reasons we have not responded in time to save the planet from much of the damage which is still to come. Even if everything was put in place today, we cannot undo the damage we have done. That would take thousands of years under the best conditions - which are not neo liberal capitalism.

    The belief now is that US fracking may have a significant amount to do with the rise in methane. The US ought to immediately stop this and hopefully reduce that. This on its own is speeding things up.

    As far as from volcanoes, they have not moved from blaming volcanoes to fracking but from cows to fracking. There has been an unexpected large increase in the release of methane which is accelerating change. That release can be dated to have started when fracking started. It may not be that but given the situation we are in now it should be stopped. It is like saying to someone if you get on that plane there is a 75% chance that you will die. Would you get on it? That is what it is like continuing fracking when it is believed it is causing this massive increase in methane release. As to volcanoes, while I admit I have not looked into them all this disruption on our eco systems will cause all sorts of things to happen. Where we had storms, floods and wildfires maybe once every hundred years, we now have them once every ten and that will get worse and worse and volcanoes themselves will be effected and respond.
     
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    Lets be clear about something. Its not that Trump wants to buy Greenland, he wants the American taxpayer to buy it.

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    Only the original, Red Dawn. The remake was a stinker.



    Having a NATO and acting on it are very different.
    Didn't we have something similar with Vietnam and neighbors?
    Look how well that worked out. Most neighbors yawned.

    NATO is an anachronism.
    Not worth the our taxes for their defense.
    An excuse for :flagus: to be a North Atlantic cat's paw.
    A role members seem to support less and less.

    Greenland would certainly make a better U.S. Territory
    than Puerto Rico. Si?
    And "who" is gonna say no? Denmark, the :flagcanada: of Europe?
    Other member nations uniting :lol:
     
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    Of course they yawned about Vietnam. The NATO agreement did not obligate the to help us in such situation, it only obligates them to come to our aid if we are attacked, not if we choose to attack some other country.[/QUOTE]
     
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    SEATO !
    Duh - uh.
     
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    SEATO !
    Duh - uh.[/QUOTE]

    50,000 Americans died under its auspices
     
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    I realized that climate had to be the determining factor in just about every change in history, starting with the population decline of ancient Greece and Rome - something that could only have come from diseases and that in turn had to have come from climate change. More recently I read there was a major climate change in 536 AD that caused a famine in Europe and lasted for decades.


    It's believed that a large volcano erupted and it dimmed the sun for decades. The eruption didn't only affect Europe but China as well, and it brought on the invasions and the dark ages - and they really were dark.

    As for more modern history, the depression of the thirties is now believed to have started with the crop failure in Germany. It occurred about the same time as the crop failure in Russia which resulted in the Ukrainian Holodymir. There were also major dust storms in Oklahoma and Texas that forced the people to move to California, so again there had to have been some kind of world wide climate change.

    It was these hardships that caused the spike in the communist parties in Europe, as well as in the oppositional nationalist parties before WWII.
     
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    Not Trump, but our government war mongers. The plans are to surround Russia with missiles so they would come to their senses and give us their resources.
     
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    Canada has doomsday nuclear devices that would kill at least 200,000,000 Americans.
     

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