Trump: 'I have the absolute right to pardon myself'

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  1. gophangover

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    Not one person stands up for America in this thread. Nazi America is here.
     
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    crickets......
     
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    AS with the birther claims, hes just following what Hillary said in 2016.
     
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    Be Afraid ..... Be very Afraid.

    The POTUS is going to pardon himself when he hasn't even been charged with a crime.

    LOL .......

    Here's a news flash for ya .....

    Sitting POTUS's can't be indicted.
     
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    He does, just as every president has had.

    The constitution doesn't put limits on him other than it must be a federal crime and even the Supreme Court has never ruled on this.

    And once Trump gives a pardon not even the Supreme Court can reverse it, only make it so no other president can do it.

    So yes, Trump has the constitutional authority to pardon himself.
     
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    Well you should probably get out of the country now before we start branding you guys and throwing you in camps.

    You don't have much time...grab your loved ones and run now!
     
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    Cons always pretend that their god is above the law.
     
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    That makes no sense.

    Who is above the law?

    The President is acting perfectly in the boundaries of the law.

    You are just pulling a "chicken little" over a bunch of fake news.
     
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    You call taking children from their parents FAKE NEWS.....You call lying about meetings with Russians within the law.....You don't even know that Trump declaring that he can pardon himself IS ABOVE THE LAW. Sandbox reasoning.
     
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    So, OP, it would be 100% within the law if Pence had Trump assassinated, immediately assumed the office of the President per the Constitution’s succession rules, then pardoned himself and any accomplices? He would have an absolute right to pardon himself yes?
     
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    The constitution does not put any limit on the power to pardon except that it cannot be done for impeachment.
     
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    And if true Republican Congress chose not to pursue impeachment?
     
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    Then Pence would remain as president.
     
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    Such a situation had never happened before, hence there isn't really a ruling on it. But note that a Pardon is an 'admission of guilt'. This means that Congress could impeach the President, and then pass legislation effectively nulling and voiding the pardon. That's what I think would happen in the situation. Pardoning himself might actually subject him to criminal liability, as opposed to just being impeached.
     
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    Generally, you cannot make legislation retroactive.
     
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    A Pardon is a symbolic gesture by the President, it is not as a matter of fact law. A future President for example could write an EO to 'veto' all of President Trump's pardons. No seriously, he could.

    It's just that pardons were never challenged..unless Trump wants to do something as stupid as what his team suggests.
     
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    There is nothing in the constitution that makes a pardon a symbolic gesture.
     
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    "except in cases of impeachment". Hmm, maybe it's not actually legal to pardon himself after all. The issue is, the impeachment has to beat his pardon.
     
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    Please post this quote with link
     
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    A President having the power to pardon himself for crimes (because that's what a pardon is) is a King.

    Have we devolved to that?
     
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    According to DOJ POLICY.

    That's not in the Constitution and it's not law
     
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    The constitution is clear. The president has the power to pardon except in the case of impeachment. He can not pardon someone who is impeached.
     
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    Do you see anything in the constitution which says differently?
     

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