Trump is a traitor

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by HereWeGoAgain, Jul 17, 2018.

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Have you accepted that trump is a traitor yet?

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    How about you demonstrate that you're right. Burden of proof is on the guy making the claim.

    I'll throw this up, though:
    https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

    Growth has always fluctuated year to year. It was lower in 2016 than 2015, as you say, but the same was true 2010-11 and 2012-13. So, how about you explain how these numbers in 2015-16 could indicate a recession.
     
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  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, sure thing. Over two years in and the economy is gangbusters after the tepid years of Obama. It appears the best thing that has happened to the economy is Obama leaving office.
     
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    It's very possible this is actually true, sad to say it, but until actual evidence comes to light I'm not going to think on it too much.
     
  4. BaghdadBob

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    Quote exactly what I wrote instead of what your America hating commie brain claims I wrote.

    BTW, your link demonstratively proves my point. :banana::roflol: Thanks.
     
  5. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Practically the exact same numbers in two instances leading up to 2015-16, and you claim it demonstrably proves your point. What, do you imagine that the GDP growth rate must always go up year-to-year? Especially when the Fed and the government do not even aim to do this, and when GDP includes government spending?
     
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    "There's never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

    That might sound like hyperbole, but in this case, there's actually some basis for the president's boast.

    "When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

    Take military spending: Trump sought to add $1.4 billion for fiscal year 2018 to the European Deterrence Initiative — a military effort to deter Russian aggression that was initially known as the European Reassurance Initiative. That's a 41 percent increase from the last year of the Obama administration. The president also agreed to send lethal weapons to Ukraine — a step that Obama resisted. And Trump gave U.S. forces in Syria more leeway to engage with Russian troops.

    "Those loosened rules of engagement have resulted in direct military clashes with Russian militants and mercenaries on the ground, actually resulting in one incident in hundreds of casualties on the Russian side," Vajdich said.

    The administration has also imposed sanctions on dozens of Russian oligarchs and government officials. And Trump has aggressively promoted U.S. energy exports, although so far that hasn't created much competition for Russia's oil and gas.

    "There's a real disconnect between the president's words and the underlying policy," said Richard Fontaine, president of the Center for a New American Security.....snip~

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia


    That's Right.....NPR a leftist publication actually admitting the truth. Along with 2 other leftists.

    So much for that bullshit that Trump is a traitor.
     
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    Post the, uh, "numbers" that you're seemingly referring to.
     
  8. Durandal

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    Only thing going gangbusters is the deficit. More cheap Republican thrills you and I are going to be paying for.
     
  9. Durandal

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    There is a disconnect between the Moscow Asset Governing America and his administration's policies. He hasn't gotten his way because he is not an autocrat. Yet.
     
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    LOL, when has the left ever worried about that? The new dems want to get rid of PayGo so they don’t have to worry about paying for their wet dreams.

    You should actually be thrilled with the deficit.
     
  11. Durandal

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    I can't speak for "the left," something you imagine exists.

    Do you or do you not care about the deficit? MAGA claimed (lied) when campaigning that he would reduce it.
     
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    No, I need more propaganda.
     
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    The Lefts own sources dispute your delusion. Or Fantasy. Come back to reality.
     
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    MAGA would have to be contradicting himself, then, given how he's yelled about how "great" it would be to "get along with Russia."
     
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    How is it a contradiction if everybody is getting along. Or are you saying that it is great to be in opposition to everyone.

    Bottomline Trumps actions speak a whole lot louder than the lefts TDS.
     
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    Bottom line is MAGA has no coherent message to send.
     
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    Trump Told G7 Leaders That Crimea Is Russian Because Everyone Speaks Russian In Crimea
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    President Donald Trump told G7 leaders that Crimea is Russian because everyone who lives there speaks Russian, according to two diplomatic sources.
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    During the dinner, Trump also seemed to question why the G7 leaders were siding with Ukraine. The president told leaders that "Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world," the source said.
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    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/albertonardelli/trump-russia-crimea

    But he is oh so tough on Russia.
     
  18. MMC

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    :roll:


    Pew Poll: Crimeans happy with “annexation” by Russia ...
    humanrightsinvestigations.org › Crimea
    Feb 16, 2018 · Pew Poll: Crimeans happy with “annexation” by Russia, believe referendum was free and fair May 12, 2014 — 10 Comments The latest survey in Ukraine by the Pew Research Center, reveals 91% of Crimeans believe the recent referendum was free and fair and only 4% believe Ukraine is correct in not recognising the referendum results.

    2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014
    VCIOM's poll also found support for the 2014 Crimean referendum outcome to be 97% in favour from Crimea's ethnic Russia population, 91% in favour from Crimea's ethnic Ukrainian population, and 92% in favour from all other populations of Crimea, for a total of 90% of Crimea's complete population being in favour of the 2014 Crimean referendum outcome to leave Ukraine and accede to Russia.

    Yep that is what NPR and two top leftists say. Trump has been tough on Russia despite his rhetoric.
     
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    http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08...rnance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/
    [​IMG]

    :roll:
     
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    You started with Crimea and now you deflect to others. Imagine that. Although its not surprising for a leftist.


    Feb 16, 2018 · Pew Poll: Crimeans happy with “annexation” by Russia, believe referendum was free and fair May 12, 2014 — 10 Comments The latest survey in Ukraine by the Pew Research Center, reveals 91% of Crimeans believe the recent referendum was free and fair and only 4% believe Ukraine is correct in not recognising the referendum results.


    Doesn't look like Crimea is looking to secede. Nor does any of this change the fact that Real Liberals and not some delusional leftists, know Trump isn't a traitor.
     
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    :roll:
    :roll: JFK had the world on the brink of nuclear Armageddon with the russians and you think capt bone spurs was tough? :roflol:
     
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    So what you are saying is you don't comprehend what Post Cold War means, Right? [​IMG]
     
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    trump-"There's never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been,"
     
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    "When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council......snip~

    The leftist is telling it like it is. Along with NPR.
     
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    All 3 and many other things you probably like since they aren't based on any solid economic footing but just Trumpist bombast. They are thus the classic warnings of a Bubble, but then you lot probably think Mackay's career sure took a turn after the Home Alone movies.
     

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