Trump is on his way to an easy win in 2020, according to Moody’s accurate election model

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  1. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed.

    Far better than the war and communism of the democrats.

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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jebus on a stick. Get YOUR facts straight.

    1. Your first link is an OP/ED piece that has already been thoroughly debunked. In that op/ed he uses the "released rates" for Obama (the rates released at the end of the period in question, BEFORE they are adjusted when all the data has been accounted for), but the adjusted rates for Trump.

    2. American Thinker........seriously ?

    But you conveniently didnt adress the graphs which CLEARLY show not only are you wrong, but that the trends have been happening since Obama brought us back from the bring of financial disaster.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your literally making that up

    You have no idea what I believe, so I’ll spell it out for you very clearly:

    I believe that in this country we have skewed risk vs reward so badly that many, mostly on the right, believe that those who take a financial risk have the right to change the rules for those who trade time for their money. I believe that the distribution of not only profits, but of wages, has been bastardized so heavily that they only benefit the top 1-10% of the population. I VERY FIRMLY believe that we live in a corpratocracy. That those who have the money get to make all the rules. You need look no further than our tax system. Why when you use money to make more money, do you pay less tax on that gain, then the guy who works for a living trading time for money ?

    You’ve been told your whole life that you can be rich, by rich people who actually understand that the “economy” is a finite number, and who understand that for you to be rich, they have to give up something. They are doing everything they can, including buying the government, to keep you making as little as they can, and in fact being able to take more of your time and labor to make more for themselves (the very reason we have a minimum wage)
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He left out the part where costs are way up ;)
     
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    Uh, no. The number 1 driver of every economy is demand.
     
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    That's nice.
    Meanwhile you'd tax the balls off a guy for making a half a million, thinking you're hurting the rich.

    You have described our corporatist state.
    I disagree with it as well. The answer starts with chopping the balls off of government, the seat of corporatism. Instead, you reinforce the problem by helping government grow
     
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    There is no economic positive demand without confidence. People just don't spend more when they have no confidence. This isn't a discussion or debate, this is taught in virtually all Econ 101 courses.
     
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    Nope. Econ 101 is economies are driven by demand.
     
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    You mean you would ruin the country just because you don't like someone that is making the economy great again and is not for these forever wars in the ME. Fascinating.
     
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    One thing the big gov, neocon war machine can always count on, support from both sides of the aisle
     
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    That is the fact and is worth repeating!
     
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    Common sense still has command of the electorate. They will have to come up with a new plan to retain the establishment/elitist snobbery that has ruled in previous administrations. Precisely why "impeachment" seems to them the only plausible route to take.
     
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    Peace, a booming economy and this poll is why the dems are reduced to using parody
     
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    You guys have been saying that for 3 years now
    Lmfao
     
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    Ahhh, yes, because YOU say so!
    Lmao
     
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    Great source, you have a problem with it?

    Bunk, we came back from the housing crisis caused disaster in spite of Barry, not because of him.

    Interesting DJIA graph here, look at the five year spread and note after being flat for over a year something happened in late 2016 that caused the market to take off, I wonder what it was?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=dji...2j35i39j0l2.1183j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Could it be the economy responding to the promise of lower taxes and regulation?
     
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    You know taxation drives behaviors right ? If you creat a tax that only gets paid when you don’t pay your workers, then they pay the workers.

    you think that the only way to stop corporations is to get rid of government ? Thats just nuts. They have all the power now, and the only control we have is thru government. Take that power away and this country will disintegrate from greed.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how would we be “ruining” the country

    you seem to forget the last democrat save d the country from a republican who championed the very same things Trump is. You let corporations govern themselves and they will ruin he county. Corporations have no loyalty to anything other than their bottom line. the economy is not the only thing this country has. Yes, it’s good right now, but make sure you give the last democrat president the credit for the first 96 months of that growth and prosperity.
     
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    I clearly stated my problem with it.

    [/quote]Bunk, we came back from the housing crisis caused disaster in spite of Barry, not because of him.[/quote]

    ‘wow. So where do I start:

    So you at least admit the administration prior to Obama, thru their championing the very same policies Trump is championing tanke the economy to the point we were inches from another depression. That nice that you at least admit that

    So while you now claim that the current resident is fully credited with the current economy, but we came back from the brink of financial disaster in spite of the Democratic President. Yeah....OK. Your bias is noted and thoroughly, laughably, disregarded

    Wow, so you use the Stock Market as the bellweather to the economy.......just WOW....

    The stock market is not, never was, and never will be, an indicator of our economy. The Stock Market is a measure of corporate wealth and influence....nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    Yes, large anti-competitive corporations are enabled by government enacted laws and regulations that favor them over competitors.
    Big Business can only be checked by government.
     
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    Watching the guy at the end of this video NEVER! get's old

    Talk about EGG on your FACE
     
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    Can't speak for other people but I've only said it the last month or so.
     
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    Well, me and most economists. Your laughing is just an attempt to cover for your ignorance or a nervous tick, hard to say
     
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    LOL, love the disconnect from reality you have.
     

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