Trump is the President of death

Yes, I'm asking you. How can low income families afford the Gold Plans ??

 

Hoarding food and ammunition are critical goals. Let me know how you feel, when your starving. When the economy is obliterated, and the stores are empty. I bet you'll be looking for those with food, and a means to protect it.

 

So, what part of "we had a HSA "YEARS" before OBAMACARE" did you not get ? I did not allude to anything-
Incorrect,OBAMACARE was set up to where the more people that signed up the cheaper for everybody-don't know where you are getting your info, but it is not correct----

 

Obviously they should ask their employer first before considering buying a gold plan; by "them" I mean all of the employees who might not have medical insurance through the employer; if the employer says no, then apply for the gold plan.

If I read your post properly, medical benefit plans are contractual if represented by a labor union or PSA; otherwise it is an individual matter if it is between the employee and employer in a non-union situation.

No, I did not. In fact I didn't vote for either of the two major party candidates.

 

So if everybody signed up for the ACA your saying everything would be just fine? I think what your not seeing, is that most Americans don't want that. Thus they didn't sign up for it. Are you forgetting what happen on the day it was passed? Both republican and democrat citizens did not want it. I actually watched it live on C-Span. In the upper left corner of the tv screen there was a percentage of Americans that was opposed to it. That percentage on the day and hour of it's passing was 73% no. And after the passing both republicans and democrats was screaming, "we will remember". As in election day. But the political parties of our nation are so manipulative, that come Obama's mid-term, they indeed had already forgot. I have this recorded. Let me know if you want me to upload it and provide it to you.

 

Well,Yes,that is what I am saying---
What "some" were protesting against was that signing up was mandatory--However, how I looked at it was,( an anology)anybody that drives on public roads has to have auto insurance (mandatory). And auto insurance is still pretty reasonable---
But getting back to the OP,this GOP bill is like going back before OBAMACARE & even worse & "most American's don't want that"----And yes,people will die----
But, Hey,come up with a better plan that everyone can accept---were all ears-----

 

If the poor need care, come up with something for the poor. Leave everyone else out of it.

 

They have figured out how to enslave mankind without the chains or the whips, they actually have people arguing over the best way to screw themselves over. And here is proof.

 

More Trump Derangement Syndrome. The progressive liberals are now predicting the end of the world ?? "It's the economy stupid."

 

The more people that signed up to pay the exorbitant premiums with high deductibles you mean ??

Your use of HSA's makes the case against ObamaCare. HSA's make consumers out of health care customers and gets the government out of health care decisions for routine issues. And ObamaCare was initially conceived to eliminate HSA's. But they were too popular with health insurance consumers to eliminate.

 

85% of health care consumers were happy with the pre ObamaCare system. The system could have been improved (tort reform, national markets, published pricing, Medicaid block grants) but definitely did not have to be completely overhauled. The D's wanted gov control of health insurance and they had the votes to do it. ObamaCare has failed exactly as predicted.

 

They have something - the social safety net does not go away with the R market based health insurance reforms.

 

They suck too

 

Now there is some well thought out analysis from the TDS crowd. Putin is grateful.

 

I don't like trump. His ideas on healthcare suck.

 

Which ideas are those ??

 

Washington (CNN)Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is about to dare his fellow Republicans to block their seven-year campaign promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. Talk is over. It's time to vote.

After months of tedious deliberation, behind-the-scenes deal making and countless setbacks, Tuesday afternoon's vote will determine if the Senate can start floor debate on legislation to overhaul the Affordable Care Act even though there aren't any guarantees the votes are there to eventually pass it -- and it's unclear what a final bill will look like.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/senate-health-care-vote/index.html

 

And I completely disagree-- I am a consumer & I was not happy & when you see how many millions did sign up for OBAMACARE,they were not happy either---So, there's that---The Insurance company's had (have) a monopoly & could charge whatever they wanted without any of us having a choice or not cover whomever they wanted--put a cap on services,ect,ect--
Yeah, OBAMACARE needs some tweaks-but after 7 years we now know where & what to tweak---
one of the problems that we encountered last year is that "WE" have to sign a contract-the Insurance Company & the Doctor's have an "agreement",no contract-So, what happened here is that the Insurance Company told the Doctor's they had to pay more & the Doctor's said "NO"-so they pulled out of the exchange leaving all of us that did sign a contract SOL--
So, again as in other posts I mentioned that I am more interested in finding a solution that works for everyone instead of arguing---and again,this GOP bill does not do that & sticking with the OP-Yes,people will die-----

 

And again,don't know where you are getting your information,but it is incorrect----
And HSA'S were not popular-they were originally set up for our elected Representatives & way to expensive to get in--when we got ours we needed at least $10,000 to open the account
& then there was only one Insurance Company that covered the HSA,which talk about a monopoly--We had to pay outrageous premiums, then 20% after a $10,000 deductible & co-pay---
Yeah, it would be nice if everyone had a HSA---But,who puts the money into the account? If people can't contribute to the account-what good does it do?
But,again---your solution is?

 

Your first statement shows the fundamental flaw of ObamaCare - forced participation by healthy individuals forced to pay too much for a heavily mandated coverage product that they don't want or need.

Gov control of health care is a recipe for disaster - ObamaCare re emphasizes that point. A market based system where health care recipients act as consumers is superior and is what forms the basis for the R health care reforms. That is a solution that will work for everyone.

 

That's ridiculous. I've had an HSA since the mid 00's and was never required to make a balloon payment to get it started. There were many insurance companies who offered HSA compatible policies. We took the difference between the premium for a low deductible policy and a high deductible policy with an HSA option. Every month I would fund our HSA's with the difference until the yearly maximum was met.

Your information is completely wrong. What are your sources ??

 

And it's passed with no participation from D's. Collins and Murkowski should be voted out of office.

 

They can't afford the Cadillac mandated coverages. Once again liberal progressives are completely clueless to the root cause of the problem and propose bandaids.

 

That means you, voters like you, and voters who stayed home are responsible for Trump.

 

McConnell is to be congratulated on his victory, although Pence had to provide the deciding vote. Senate voted today to start debate on a bill. There is still a major problem. It seems the Senators are confused as what the bill is.

Is it a bill to repeal Obamacare? No, that takes 60 votes, and that is impossible.

Is it a bill to defund Obamacare? Possible, that's doable with 51 votes.

Is it the House bill?

Is it the original Senate bill to repeal and replace Obamacare?

Is it a revised version of the Senate bill to repeal and replace Obamacare?

No one knows, but there is talk of unlimited amendments to a bill nobody knows anything about.

This is strange, really strange. This is much to do about nothing. It is extremely doubtful any bill will pass.