Trump Jr makes light of Native American genocide

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    No he didn't control the corporations. He leased prisoner slave labor to them.
     
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    Here's the National Socialist Manifesto. It could have been written by the authors of the Green New Deal. https://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/25Points.html
     
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    Justin Trudeau, huh?
     
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    They're trapped in a corner with nowhere to go. It's all they've got.
     
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    I'm not surprised you're focused on Hayek.
    You don't know enough about economics to understand the shortcomings of Hayek's views.
    Why should we accept Mussolini's views!
    Fascism isn't socialism, even though it's totalitarian.
     
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    What has he accomplished? The Orange Oaf got a tax cut for business, but then screwed up by cutting personal taxes. That's it.
     
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    My house? Have you taken leave of your senses?
     
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    You don't approve of Hayek? Where do you think he went wrong?
     
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    Trump is a racist, like Northam, and has been accused of sexual assault by more thsn a dozen women.
     
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    Leftists, while running about in Black face or wearing white hoods, always think everyone who isn't in their party to be a racist. Facts don't matter.
     
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    I sent a link. You can read it.
     
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    "Anti-individualistic, the Conservative conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...The Conservative conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Conservatism, is totalitarian, and the Conservative State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."

    See? Anyone can do that with anything, that doesn't make it so

    Fascism is like that because that was Mussolini, it's main founder and proponent, writing its definition.
     
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    Was Trump a Birther or not? Did Trump take out a full page ad in the NYT saying that 4 blacks who had been convicted of assaulting a white woman got off too lightly and then refuse to retract it even after DNA evidence proved them guilty or not? Did Trump and his father both discriminate against blacks in the 70's or not?

    Conservatives never admit they are racist even when their racist acts are on the record and plain for all to see. Their latest tactic is to claim that everyone who calls them racist is discriminating against them. In other words, they try to say that everyone pointing out their racism is a "reverse racist" for calling THEM racist. The blatant absurdity of that should be self evident to anyone but many conservatives accept it as a basic precept because it excuses and encourages the bigotry inherent in their warped view of humanity
     
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    The debate is getting boring. Fascism and Corporate Power goes together. Fascism is not left wing. Hitler just used that to get votes to get in. The first people he imprisoned were the Social Democrats. Germany was well supported by Corporate Power hence Capitalism frpm the US. Given that neo Liberalism is giving everything to Corporate Power, our Governments answering to them not the people, the West is arguably fascist now.
     
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    I focus on the words of the fascists themselves, but Hayek's chapter on The Socialist Roots of Nazism is well researched. Anyone who is actually interested in learning about the nature, history and development of German National Socialism will find it informative.

    "It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism [Johann Gottlieb] Fricht, [Johann Karl] Rodbertus and {Fredinand] Lassalle - are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism."

    Again, I prefer to go straight to the source and read the words of the national socialist ideologues. This from Johann Plenge:

    "The war economy created in Germany in 1914 "is the first realization of a socialist society, and its spirit the first active, and not merely demanding, appearance of a socialist spirit. The needs of the war have established the socialist idea in German economic life, and thus the defense of our nation produced for humanity the idea of 1914, the idea of German organization, the people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) of national socialism..."

    Moeller van der Bruck after the end of World War I:

    "We have lost the war against the West. Socialism has lost it against Liberalism."

    Adolf Hitler:

    "To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil."

    Up to this point I haven't seen you or your friend Margot present anything substantive on this matter, much less anything from the fascists and national socialists themselves. What I have seen are the standard-issue claims and opinions of Leftists who haven't taken the time to research this matter and are eager to distance the views of the German National Socialists and others from their own "progressive" views. Nothing new.

    I've seen the criticisms of Hayek, his Austrian School colleagues and like-minded economists. Sure, they have their shortcomings, but I know enough about economics to know that laughable Keynesian hacks like Paul Krugman can't hold a candle to them.

    And whose views on Mussolini's own views are we supposed to accept? :lol:

    This is why I focus on the sources.

    Furthermore, what I've learned from studying them is that they have their own peculiarities, just as the socialists in the USSR and Red China have their own peculiarities. The Blackshirts in Italy are a bit different from the Brownshirts in Germany who are a bit different from the Blueshirts they both supported in Spain.

    Fascism is an offshoot of socialism. The name of the National Socialist German Workers' Party is no accident or coincidence nor is the fact that Mussolini was a prominent member of the Italian Socialist Party before he broke with them and the International over Italy's involvement in World War I and went on the found his own party.

    And yes - fascism and socialism are two peas in the totalitarian pod. None other than Joseph Stalin wrote some interesting things about how fascism and democratic socialism were twins not antipodes, although I think it's safe to say they are not identical twins.
     
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    The German Workers Party didn't last long.. It was over by 1919. .. and it was nationalistic and anti -Semitic.

    Hitler set his thugs to beat up socialists in the streets.
     
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    excerpt:

    Hitler's reputation as an orator grew and it soon became clear that he was the main reason why people were joining the party. At one meeting in Hofbräuhaus he attracted an audience of over 2,000 people and several hundred new members were enrolled. This gave Hitler tremendous power within the organization as they knew they could not afford to lose him.

    One change suggested by Hitler concerned adding "Socialist" to the name of the party. Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany. (15)

    Adolf Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word "National" before it. He claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had "German blood". Jews and other "aliens" would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Germans should be brought to an end. In April 1920, the German Workers Party became the NSDAP. Hitler became chairman of the new party and Karl Harrer was given the honorary title, Reich Chairman. (16)

    https://spartacus-educational.com/GERgwp.htm
     
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    Here are a few other things that Mr. Trump has done:

    • Appointed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and more than 75 other constitutionally sound federal judges, 30 of which are serving.

    • Reinstated an expanded Mexico City Policy blocking foreign aid from being used for abortions.

    • Cracked down on illegal immigration and “sanctuary cities.” As Attorney General Jeff Sessions put it: “The lawlessness, the abdication of the duty to enforce our laws, and the catch and release policies of the past are over.”

    • Issued an order killing two federal regulations for every new one. In actuality, 16 were cut for every new one in his first year, saving billions.

    • Engineered a historic tax cut that will save money for more than 80 percent of American households.

    • Withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of U.S. governance by international bureaucrats.

    • Reversed onerous Obama environmental rules that gave the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ham-handed authority to destroy the coal industry and abrogate landowners’ rights.

    • Kick-started America’s energy sector by curtailing regulations, facilitating the Keystone XL Pipeline and opening up vast federal areas to oil and gas exploration.

    • Presided over an economic and stock market boom, lowered unemployment and brought manufacturing jobs back to America from overseas.

    • Rebuilt the nation’s military, destroyed ISIS and faced down North Korea’s “Rocket Man.”

    • Issued an order enforcing First Amendment protections for religious liberty.

    • Restored the freedom of military chaplains to espouse biblical morality, and essentially reversing Mr. Obama’s transgender military policy.

    • Revoked the Education Department’s order that public schools allow gender-confused males access to girls’ restrooms and locker rooms.

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    • Overhauled the mismanaged Veterans Administration and giving veterans more health care choices.

    • Replaced Obamacare incrementally, beginning with a repeal of the individual mandate.

    • Imposed sanctions on Venezuela’s socialist dictatorship and revising Mr. Obama’s deals with communist Cuba.

    • Recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and repairing damage that Mr. Obama did to the U.S.-Israel relationship.

    • Worked with Central American nations to crack down on MS-13 gangs.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/6/giving-trumps-accomplishments-their-due/
     
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    The WH is the people's house. You didn't know that?
     
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    His repeated use of "Pocahontas" is an offensive dog whistle to racists. His lies about Latinos are another dog whistle.
     
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    Of course he did. The German corporations did exactly what they were ordered to do.
     
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    The German Workers Party (DAP) was the precursor the the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP).

    The National Socialist German Workers' Party lasted from February 24, 1920 till the fall of Nazi Germany in 1945.

    Hitler's goon squads beat and terrorized anyone they considered an enemy or opponent. They also got into gun battles with the soldiers in the Reichswehr and state police officers in Munich during the failed Beer Hall Putsch that got Hitler thrown in prison.
     
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