Trump just had to get into the act

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    You apparently do not understand the problem with the plane, Trump does. Stop embarrassing yourself.
     
  2. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Donor

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    I read the article. It is an opinion piece, not a news story. I tossed it because the writer has a beef with the FAA. I relied instead on news reports from various sources.

    "But it is a step that should have been taken directly by the federal agency responsible for aviation safety. That it came from the White House instead speaks to a profound crisis of public confidence in the F.A.A."

    The biased writer of this article got that wrong. I know this from the various news reports. Read the OP.

    From post #5 you can see Trump has a history of doing this very thing.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Donor

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    Filtering through all the B.S. of this post, you omitted one very important thing. What did I get wrong in the post you are replying to?

    That's because I didn't get anything wrong.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump didn't mention any plane. He said all flying was too complex and dangerous.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was a rhetorical question.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have a severe reading comprehension problem. Read the OP again. Try to pay attention this time.
     
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    The article does not say who spoke first. I remember an FAA representative say he agreed with Trump's decision. The FAA representative said he FAA was an information driven organization and they would normally wait for more information. Or some such words.

    "Trump wanting to get into the act" is a big nothing and who really gives a big $hit? They are grounded as they should be.
     
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Donor

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    Typical for you to talk this way. I guess only your articles get it correct. But the former head of the transportation safety board is the one man who got it wrong.

    No Sandy, you attacked Trump and this man set you straight.

    Mr. Hall was chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board from 1994 to 2001.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am an old school pilot. I enjoy being in charge of all systems. Trump is talking about computers that actually take over control forcing the pilot to stare at the controls in disbelief that he lost control over the airplane.

    Trump has some valid points on that.

    Perhaps in your world an airplane not in the control of the pilot is no danger, but ask those who died in the crash.

    Sandy, were Trump to send you a million dollars you would still complain. What would you do in the Marines to a person so insubordinate as you are?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Trump beat the FAA to it. Big deal.
     
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    This is almost a unique problem. The computer tries to compensate for an instability problem. However, the instability is so great that if the computer fails, the pilot may not be able overcome it manually. That is a truly dangerous and frightening scenario.
     
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    You mean you don't want every utterance you make to be taken literally??
     
  13. Robert

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    Sandy, first this is wrong.
    FAA had not grounded the airplanes.
    Trump grounded them
    FAA then issued the order.

    FAA issues FAR and orders to airmen and airline firms.
    The NTSB investigates all types of accidents.
     
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    The FAA is part of the executive and reports to the president
     
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    I have never piloted an aircraft when the computer took the control to the point I was helpless.

    And you are right, it would scare the best pilot.

    When I hear things in the news or in the media, I chalk it up to them not being experts. I take what I read with "a grain of salt".

    Stall avoidance is taught to all pilots from very early on. One can recover from a stall, but avoid them and do not get backed into having to fight one of them. That works best. Then the modern airliner also has signals to the pilot or alarms so the pilot has a heads up on this.

    I can't even guess why the 737 is alleged to nose down but have a lot of time practicing evading or recovery from stalls.

    When it comes to Trump, Democrats rush to blame him for everything. i was aghast today to read them blaming him for the crash of that airplane in Africa.
     
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    When I first got the report that it was first Trump i was shocked. But as it turns out, yes it was first Trump. Sandy thinks Trump commanded to take attention. Actually that is not true. Trump did it thinking it was best to save lives. FAA in my opinion were taking the best path.

    Why?

    Two reasons.
    Boeing was not calling for a grounding Boeing does not enjoy crashing of those airplanes.
    The airlines in the USA were not calling for the grounding. Airlines have a most senior pilot over all pilots.

    They are both very quick to ground aircraft if those have flight safety issues.

    Sandy is no expert.
     
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    Also, the FAA was the last to ground them compared to other countries. Literally.
     
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    What you get wrong is your uninformed commentary on a subject you obviously don’t understand. Trump’s comments have flown over your head. You are on Trump hating autopilot nosediving at full throttle.
     
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    That is because as the head of all those agencies, while highly unusual, very unorthodox, Trump told FAA what to do.

    I could be expected to side with Trump. Sandy expected to attack Trump.

    I don't have the insider scoop but know enough about FAA to know they hired a lot of very good experts. They talked this over with Boeing. I do not doubt this at all. Boeing is not in business to lose aircraft. It upsets them a lot.

    Did both aircraft that crashed encounter the same flying conditions?
    Hell I don't know. Sandy does not know. I know the African crash was only about 6-7 minutes into the flight. What about the crash of the Indonesian airliner? I plan to check that out.

    We have experts in Government and so do the airline companies and Boeing. I am not going to jump the gun. A lot of times when planes crash I am able to "jump the gun" and predict why it crashed. But not this time.

    Frankly almost every crash is rooted with pilot error. I hate to say it but the airplanes are super well engineered and super well tested first.

    I think why FAA or Boeing did not ground the airplanes has to do with normally it is pilot error.
     
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    The reports I have read are the same. The aircraft does something unusual and the crew does not know how to handle it. When Trump says these aircraft are complicated, most people do not know how complicated they are. They are fly by wire relying on the computer to be programmed correctly. One of the aircraft that crashed had a sensor malfunction misleading the computer. Some pilots have complained that the instructions are inadequate.

    All in all, I used to work in the aircraft industry and the FAA will investigate thoroughly but that takes time to come to the right conclusions and actions, which they will eventually do.
     

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