Trump-Kim summit breaks down after North Korea demands end to sanctions

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  1. Kode

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    How is he dangerous? Do you believe what he says? Can you trust him?
     
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    Kim wasn’t going anywhere to begin with, so who really cares if his fan club thinks he’s cool. Do you even understand that before this dialogue started, we were on the verge of a nuclear war with the North Koreans?
    So for a second, try putting your petty partisan nonsense aside for a second, and realize that there’s way more on the line than gloating on a message board.
     
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    we are waiting for that evidence you claim exists been waiting for two year and yet you haven't produced crap
     
  4. James Evans

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    Nice deflection.
     
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    "After trump dropped the demand for a full accounting of the north Korean nukes..."

    Looks like Fake News.

    NBC, claims in an exclusive report, that the subject of full accounting was removed from the summit discussions. The point was not conceded.

    "HANOI, Vietnam — U.S. negotiators are no longer demanding that North Korea agree to disclose a full accounting of its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs as part of talks this week between President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un, according to current and former senior U.S. officials.

    The decision to drop, for now, a significant component of a potential nuclear deal suggests a reality that U.S. intelligence assessments have stressed for months is shaping talks as they progress: North Korea does not intend to fully denuclearize, which is the goal Trump set for his talks with Kim."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ll-accounting-n-korea-nuclear-program-n977251
     
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  6. MrTLegal

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    You raise one of the points why Trump's tactic has been doomed to fail. The "glacial pace" with which Eastern negotiators approach complex issues combined with the limited scope associated with American leadership means that the only path of success is a negotiation that spans multiple administrations. Trump came in and declared all of Obama's tactics and international agreements (including TPP, an economic deal that could have resulted in a unified economic pressure on North Korea from the region) a failure that should completely dismantled and he - very recently - said that Obama was on the verge of declaring war with NK.

    And that means that all previous attempts at peace with North Korea may as well have not existed. Do I expect NK to adjust their behavior after one or two meetings? No. But I do expect the President of the United States to be smart enough to recognize that he should build off a previous administration so that we do not need to view the negotiation as the first or second meeting, but rather the 9th or 10th.
     
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    if it was so popular why didn't Obama put it in front of congress for a vote make it a binding treaty so Trump couldn't nix it like he did
    I will tell you why because it wouldn't have passed even a few democrat wouldn't vote for it
     
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    It's too late for that.

    Moreover, like the fool that he is, he has imposed on himself results that are impossible to achieve.

    MAGA !
     
  9. MrTLegal

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    If you want to argue that "dropping the demand, for now," is substantially different from "dropping the demand" just prior to the denuclearization summit from which Trump hoped to announce substantial progress, if not a complete agreement, then that is your burden to bear.
     
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    You tell yourself that if you wish.
     
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    But no rebuttal of the fact from you.
    I could have gone with Bush 1: Read my lips, NO new taxes... Or Clinton's: I didn't have a sexual relation with that woman...
     
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    Did you take President Reagan literally when he said (exact quote) over an open microphone

    "I've signed legislation outlawing Russia. We start bombing in five minutes".

    I could find other things great presidents have said that were not to be taken seriously. Not that I'm claiming President Trump is "great".
     
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    Oh, I get it, obama was smart enough to never meet with a sworn enemy of the US. Thanks for the great explanation.
     
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    This is a complicated question that canot be explained in soundbites

    I preferred real sanctions including the euros against not only north korea but russia and china too

    In the mid 90’s that might have de-nuked NK without a shooting war

    Now the stakes are much higher
     
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    I reject the notion that we were on the verge of a nuclear war with the North Koreans until Trump decided to bark back on twitter.

    Mohammed Ali had a famous response after being asked why he did not respond to another fighter's attempts to call him out.

    "A dog is going to bark at the moon. As soon as the moon barks back, that dog suddenly becomes famous."
     
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    Paris accord needed scrapped. It was nothing but a feel good piece of toilet paper with no monitoring or enforcement. Oh and it required the US give China and India billions.

    Iran, a great example. The US cut sanctions and got nothing in return. An amazing piece of diplomacy there.
     
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    Good - I'm glad to see that Trump didn't make the mistake that the "Death to America!" crowd's errand boy made with his Islamofascist masters in Tehran.

    As was the case with Reagan at Reykjavik, it's better to walk away from a bad deal...
     
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    Glad I could help.
     
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    Right down there with Munich 1938.

    Craptacular....
     
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    If you are only willing to see what you previously believed, then you will see what you want to see.
     
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    TPP wasn't a good deal for the US economy nor had Obama done jack **** with the norkos. Obama as much as admitted he was on the verge of declaring war and hillary as much as admitted its what she would do. You never answered my previous question: Are you willing to go full von Clausewitz total war on the Norkos TODAY? Yes or no.


    8 years is plenty of time when you stack it on top of the 60+ we've been dealing with them.
    That's about the pace for something like this if done at their speed, and the only way you make them move any faster is to nuke them at least twice, see Japan. Also see the 60 years of sanctions, warfare, etc that haven't done diddly squat. As explained previously the freeze out a) isn't the most efficient tactic or best and b) doesn't work after Clinton foolishly gave them tech.
     
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    I notice you were unable to dispute anything I said and just right into passive aggressive taunts.
     
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    Maybe you should take your own advice to heart then...
     
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    I'm sure their tough stances on DPRK actually helped drive Kim to try negotiating with Trump, actually.
     
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    I have read, more than once, that Trump has done more than any other leader with respect to NK...he has managed 'talks'. Your bolded comment explains exactly why no other POTUS has agreed or coordinated a meeting with NK leaders. They have not wanted to offer legitimization to a dictator. Trump, on the other hand, saw an opportunity for himself, and didn't consider the consequences. Arrogant, misinformed self centeredness.
     
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