Trump may come out of this latest Kurd debacle smelling like a rose

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  1. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's their country. We invaded because of regime change remember?
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Regime change, huh?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    UN says Israel's killings at Gaza protests may amount to war crimes
    The above is just one of many rulings ..

    EU view on occupied territories
    With respect to Golan
    It is irrelevant "which" EU nations - if we are talking the Security council Britain, France, Germany are currently on the council.

    Your question "Who's Rule book and why would the US follow anyone else's rules"

    This is "Our Rule Book" - along with everyone else who signed on to the agreement to respect UN security council resolutions.
    You seem to be confused about what the UN is.

    The point of making a resolutions - is to make rules that all signatory nations are supposed to follow - not just us but all nations who signed on to the rule book.

    Take the "chemical weapons ban" for example. Why should we follow it you ask ? - Well Fred - the reason we follow it is because we do not want other nations making these weapons - to establish some kind of international order - rules by which Nations of the world are expected to operate - and to set a bar by which actions against violators can be justified.

    If we don't follow the rules - then we are throwing out the rule book. If US does not respect the rules with respect to annexation - why should other nations ?

    Events which led to annexation of Kosovo is one example of violating international law. Going into Iraq was another. Golan is another example.

    The first two are corruptions within US foreign policy.- "violating the rule book" - but, at least these were US initiatives. Golan is a corruption based on an Israeli initiative.

    It is irrelevant whether one agrees or disagrees with the above violations of international law. The question you asked was related to corruption of foreign policy.

    To sign an agreement - and expect others who signed that agreement to follow it (Take Chemical Weapons Ban for example) - but then to violate that agreement - is a corruption. We are violating our agreement.

    Sure we can throw away the rule book - but - why should other nations then not adhere to the rule book. Perhaps China should just go ahead and annex Taiwan.

    United we stand - divided we fall. Encouraging the breakdown of international order does not benefit the US.
     
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    Well, smelling like the stuff used to fertilize roses anyway.
     
  5. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No disrespect but no one should ever take the UN seriously. Have you looked closely at those countries who are condemning Israel and what's going on in there? No, of course you haven't.

    Check to see how they're treating Women, Gays, and other minorities, or even their corruption index, and then get back to me on Israel. Israel is a haven in the Middle East as well as to many other areas of the world.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Non Taken - it is not disrespectful to suggest that the UN should not be taken seriously. It is logical fallacy however to lump all UN decisions into one pot - which is what you are doing.

    I agree that some UN decisions/resolutions are questionable - but - to lump all UN resolutions into a "No one should EVER take the UN seriously" Bin ... Pot .. what have you ... is misguided and flawed thinking. Surely we can agree on this.

    I was going to comment further but - I can not get past this wall that you have built ... Only you can break down that wall.
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's all in one pot because it's one pot you're quoting and one pot voting to censure.
    I stand by the comment that no one should take the UN seriously.

    I'm always prepared to change my mind but not when dictators and theocracies. which have no respect for their own people, are doing the condemning against a country like Israel.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tear down the Wall :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I should have added some color to my last comment .. "Tear Down the Wall" :)

     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean Dirty Donald following the Orders of his Establishment Masters ;)

    Thank goodness for Russia for saving the people of Syria from the radical Islamist proxy army who wanted to turn Syria into a Saudi Inspired - strict sharia totalitarian nightmare.
     
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    This is the 8th time the Kurds have been betrayed by the US - and the previous betrayals are something the Kurds are well aware of.

    Fool me once - shame on you - Fool me 8 times - shame on me.
     
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    It sure is embarrassing that so many Americans are so stupid.. Muslim background indeed.
     
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    Fred will never comprehend what you are saying.
     
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    There are many who have a background in Islam, no?
     
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    Shame on the Kurds? Maybe.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most certainly. Do we think many within the ranks of the Kurds were not warning - "bad idea" to ally with the Americans. We would be engaging in silliness to think such a thing.
     

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