Trump on Covid death toll: 'It is what it is'

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Have a source. I googled it and the words "like a miracle" were never there as you claim .
    He did say stay calm it will go away. Would you rather he told people to panic, we are all gonna die?
     
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    Ah, I see. Well, the source is still the covidtracking.com or worldofmeters.com.

    But when I say 1,000 per day, I am specifically referencing the rolling 7 day average. If you take the last seven days and average them, the number of deaths per day at covidtracking.com is 1,057 as of yesterday. It has been above 1,000 for the last 9 days in a row. They do not really have a single place for that information, it is just taking the news deaths reported each day and then creating the rolling average.

    You can also use worldofmeters.com and they do include a chart where you can overlap the rolling 7 day (or 3 day) average.

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    A) My apologies because I slightly messed up the quote. The direct quote is, “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    Here is a source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/how-trump-shifted-his-tone-on-coronavirus-134246

    B) It is a false choice to argue that he had to choose between saying, "it will disappear like a miracle" and saying "we are all gonna die."
     
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    He attended a large, in door event surrounded by thousands of people and there is photographic evidence that they were not wearing masks or socially distancing from each other. The CDC guidelines denote that type of event is one with the most risk for spreading the virus even if the event did not take place in a city which was experiencing its largest spike to date (and it was).

    He was then reported sick a couple of weeks later.

    Now, is it possible that he didn't get sick going to, during, or leaving the event? Of course. But the timeline and the risky behavior are definitely strong indicators of a linkage.
     
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    True, and same with the timeline of the "2nd wave" in America coinciding with the out break of the protests/riots. Democrats have claimed it was their right to go out and protest, but don't want people to go out and vote in person.
     
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    I think Americans would have largely complied with the mask mandate if our response was more serious from the beginning. Our leaders misled us in the beginning by telling us for weeks that masks weren't effective. And I'm not just blaming trump. Everyone seemed to be on the same line concerning masks in those first few weeks including Fauci and medical experts, both liberal and conservative governors and even media. Then when they switched the narrative and said masks were needed (and you were a pos for not wearing one), there was no apology; everyone kind of switched message in a very flippant way. If I were in a position of leadership (whether the president or governor, agency head etc.), and I had told people for weeks that masks were ineffective, and then I found out they were, I would have expressed heartfelt apology and explained that this was a new virus and we are still learning and working to do better.

    That's not what they did when asked about the narrative switch. They danced around admissions of wrongdoing doing as if following a playbook for a political game and again, were overall flippant in their transition.

    Imo this handling of the issue by many in power is the primary contributor to defying mask mandates.
     
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    Sorry but I still don't see him say anything about miracles. He calls for calm saying someday it will disappear. pr
    Calling for calm is a problem how?
    Should he have called for panic in the streets?
     
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    A) My apologies because I slightly messed up the quote. The direct quote is, “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    Here is a source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/how-trump-shifted-his-tone-on-coronavirus-134246

    B) It is a false choice to argue that he had to choose between saying, "it will disappear like a miracle" and saying "we are all gonna die."
     
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    Thanks for the source. It was down under 500 a day but apparently we've had a spike if the numbers are accurate.
    Keep it in perspective though.
    Thankyou. Apparently weve had a recent spike from the last numbers I heard of 500 per day. Hopefully it's a quick spike. Keep in mind though that in the scheme of things covid deaths are not catastrophic.


    "Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the U.S., taking up to 800,000 lives each year. That's 30 percent of all deaths in the country."
     
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    But there are actual studies now about the linkage between the protests and the increase spike of cases and, in places like Minnesota, they found no linkage - ironically - because the protests encouraged an even larger group of people to stay home and avoid the protests.
     
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    Ok, what ever you believe.
     
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    "Officials in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Miami-Dade County, Fla., have acknowledged that anti-police protests and riots may have led to increased spread of the coronavirus, according to a Fox News report.

    All three cities have experienced an uptick in coronavirus cases after weeks of protesting sparked by the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody. Many Democrats and public-health professionals alike had voiced support of the demonstrations, including Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti.

    Two days after maintaining that there wasn’t “any conclusive evidence” showing a connection between protests and a surge in cases of the virus, Garcetti did an about-face, saying the county’s public-health director “does think some of the spread did come from our protests.”


    "The county reported a record 3,187 new coronavirus cases on Friday, the highest daily total since the start of the pandemic, according to health officials on Sunday."


    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/protests-may-have-spread-coronavirus-some-cities-admit/amp/
     
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    Thanks for posting this. When the covid numbers spiked in mid July, we were told by the usual suspects that the daily deaths were low, so, nothing to worry. Of course, as predicted, the daily deaths rise with a lag after the rise in cases. Not surprising at all, except maybe for those who have an agenda to paint a rosy picture of the situation.
     
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    It fits your purpose perfectly and can't be proved either way.
     
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    No it doesn't, and organs can heal.
     
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    You just quoted an article that says the opposite
     
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    Protests against systemic racism held in 300-plus U.S. cities following the death of George Floyd did not cause a significant increase in coronavirus infections, according to a team of economists who have published their findings in a 60-page paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research; these somewhat surprising results are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many populous cities where demonstrations were held.
     
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    Even more surprising is how dangerous it is to go to Church or to hold a Trump rally.
     
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    More importantly, we don't have the sort of tests that are now desperately needed - the kind that the WH uses. What good is a test that turns around results in five days? Contact tracing is impossible at that point, and we cannot effectively manage the spread.
     
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    Exactly.

    Just more Trump's Egregious FAILURE.
     
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    His access to effective testing, while the rest of the country is still lining up for hours for kits that have long turn around times, is akin to 'Let them eat cake'.
     
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    His statement, 'it is what it is', shows his lack of empathy. Indeed, it is what it is, but to hear a POTUS say that about over 150,000 Americans dead - and then to go on to say that they have it under control, that we're doing very well with respect to handling the virus, is not displaying leadership. I'm sure the families of the dead were consoled by his words. And for those who don't believe that it is a POTUS job to console, I would say that you got the POTUS you want. But it isn't the POTUS that we need. He needs to get his head out of his butt and stop focusing solely upon his re election. His primary job RIGHT NOW is to run the country effectively - not campaign for re election.
     
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