Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

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  1. jay runner

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    It was foolish not to let the USSR reign victorious and rule Afghanistan.
     
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    Two of the links were from 2018 with Iraqis stating that Iraq was better under Saddam, you know, where you asked "find me some Iraqis who would rather Saddam was still in power.". But of course, you know Iraqis better than they know themselves and they must be lying....
     
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    Now it looks like an obvious error, but given the context of the Cold War passively allowing the USSR to crush Afghanistan would have been a very tough call.
     
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    Balderdash, we used it to bleed them dry and couldn't let them conquer neighbouring nations at will.
     
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    Yes and I accepted that, she says in some ways things were better but think of all the ways they were worse.
     
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    Saddam was a WHOLE lot better than ISIS and a lot better than what they have now. Don't get me wrong, Saddam was a brutal tyrant and destabilized the whole area. He definitely had to go after what he did to Kuwait but we had plenty of chance to ease him out without all the problems we caused.
     
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    People living in Iraq right now and who lived while Saddam was in power will know much better than what you or I think, and it is not just "she". It's quite easy to give an opinion of what life is/was like 8000 miles away from our comfortable chairs. Do I need to say again that I actually know Iraqis living in Iraq now (Baghdad and Mosul) and who lived there during Saddam's time? I also know many who had to flee to Erbil because of your invasion and the resulting civil war and destruction of their country.
     
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    I hope they're grateful for all we did for them? I challenged you and you found someone, well done but the liberation was still ultimately a success, look at modern Iraq and compare it to Saddams?
     
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    The CIA tried for years to quietly oust him and failed, he was another Castro. Saddam was not better than ISIS, they didn't invade Kuwait/Iran, manufacture WMDs etc, they did not control a nation state with access to billions of dollars of oil with which to fund his mad schemes.
     
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    delusional
    adjective
    1Characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument,

    Delusion: A false personal belief that is not subject to reason or contradictory evidence and is not explained by a person's usual cultural and religious concepts (so that, for example, it is not an article of faith). A delusion may be firmly maintained in the face of incontrovertible evidence that it is false
     
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    Iraq and the Kurds have been in a civil war since the 1950's! The Kurds were continually blowing up dams and power stations in Northern Iraq since that date
     
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    Don't be so hard on yourself, you're not delusional, wanting to keep Saddam in power just means you're misguided
     
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    True and Saddam slaughtered them in their tens of thousands (as indeed did the Turks, Syrians, Iranians and virtually everyone else, the Kurds have no friends but the mountains). God thing we deposed Saddam so the Kurds are better off now than ever before, huh?
     
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    The prisoner threw a piece of concrete at him and the translator was in the room when it happened. If anything the charge should be for not properly restraining the prisoner because it never should have happened regardless. Still, are you guys gonna cry over a dead taliban member? I suppose lefties would cry over that
     
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    The attacks at WTC.

    It was not liberation we achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan, it was naked military aggression.
     
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    Oh dear, how much wrong could there be in just one post ^
     
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    I knew guys who were in Afghanistan is the 60's who really wondered why anyone would want the place.
     
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    Saddam destabilized the whole area?

    By fighting Iran for 7 years for the US government he did contribute to destabilization ON OUR BEHALF.

    But by keeping electricity and water and sewer, he very much stabilized Iraq. By allowing secular government, he stabilized Iraq. By allowing a thriving Christian religion, he stabilized society.
     
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    Like Tito, Saddam and his sons should have been left alone because that would have been better for me and better for you.
     
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    Hmmmm. When is President Obama going to prison? He ordered the murder of an unarmed terrorist too. Osama bin Laden.
     
  21. truth and justice

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    Have you got a link showing evidence that Mansur was a terrorist? Perhaps you can give that evidence to the US command who carried out the interrogation and deemed that Mansur was innocent
     
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    Agreed, he should have just left Kuwait alone. Invasions are SOOO difficult to take back
     
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    Hot damn we agree.
     
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    Obama was a great actor, just like so many occupants of the White House.

    https://www.legitgov.org/News-Bin-Ladens-Death-and-Funeral-December-2001

    Osama died in 2001. Obama fooled you and the rest of the oblivious electorate with his Fable of Abbottabad. :love:
     
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    Again... you got nothing to dispute.
     

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