Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

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  1. Reasonablerob

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    What are you talking about? Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. We liberated these countries, they're now more free and democratic than any time in their history.
     
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    So you accept my point?
     
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    I've often thought that, the SEALs kill one gunman and 3 unarmed men?
     
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    Shame about him invading his neighbours, building WMDs and slaughtering his people in their 100,000s?
     
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    No one wanted Saddam to invade Iran, it was his own idea, we just didn't want him to lose once he started.
     
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    The reason for Saddam's attack on Iran has, of course, been its numerous local reasons ... without question .... but is also outside any question that Saddam thereby became the new welcomed friend of the United States, according to the motto "The enemy my enemy is my friend ".
    Incidentally, the same was true for the USSR as the Communists also feared the Mullahs in Iran that their movement could move across borders into the USSR.

    Only from this situation emerged a typical example of American hypocrisy.
    When Saddam attacked the Kurds with poison gas and massively used poison gas against the Iranian army, in Washington they were very frugal with criticism and accusations, etc. ... and the topic disappeared in the drawers.

    It was only when Saddam became an enemy of the US in 1990 that the poisoning attacks on the Kurds suddenly became a huge issue, and the shitstorm against Saddam broke out from Washington's governing side. Strange ...

    But even stranger is that until today not a word of criticism from Washington on the massive Iraqi poison gas use against Iranian soldiers came (that was often like in World War I!) ... or suddenly the use of poison gas is no longer a crime, if against not liked people?
     
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    The absurdity of realpolitik. Back in the 90s US and British aircraft were taking off from Turkish airbases to protect the Kurds from Saddam. But Turkish planes were taking off from the same bases to bomb the same Kurds?
     
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    Yep ... and this is still the case today!

    NATO Jets in Incirlik Air Base / Turkey start to help the North Syrian Kurds and allies of the USA - the YPG - in their fight against ISIS ... and 10 minutes later start Turkish F-16 from same Air Base to make bombing raids on YPG positions in Syria...
     
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    Maybe English is not your primary language???

    You do not understand the difference between liberation and destruction. They are not synonyms.
     
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    Wake up Rob. We gave him those chemical weapons.

    Inform yourself about how and why he invaded Kuwait. Inform yourself about the story told by Ambassador April Glaspie. It's very old news.
     
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    You're making a point, not backed up with anything. I provided sources saying the opposite of your claim, champ.
     
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    Good job, President Trump. There are times I wonder if you really are the baffoon you portray yourself to be. Still...the tariffs are really stupid because they are unnecessarily dangerous to economic growth.
     
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    No we didn't, he made his own, that was the problem. Saddam invaded Kuwait because he wanted to. I know the story about Ambassador Glaspie and how is that relevant to anything?
     
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    No you didn't, you're just flannelling.
     
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    Sorry, I'm quite immune to government propaganda delivered by Wikipedia and Google. Yes, both organizations can be useful, but for the most part they are merely vehicles for government propaganda. Newspeak, if you will.

    Our military aggression in those countries was illegal, and greatly facilitated by your man Blair. The Downing Street Memo was about the only true statement from Britain during those crimes.
     
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    I put up 2 sources that proves I am right in post 724. You responded to that, so you're just trolling now denying this. You never put up any sources to proves that you are right.
     
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    The US fully supported Saddam Hussein by selling him anthrax and whatever he needed to fuel his WMD war against Iran.

    The United States exported support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war over $500 million worth of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq's nuclear program.[21] The non-profit American Type Culture Collection and the Centers for Disease Control sold or sent biological samples of anthrax, West Nile virus and botulism to Iraq up until 1989, which Iraq claimed it needed for medical research. A number of these materials were used for Iraq's biological weapons research program, while others were used for vaccine development.[22] For example, the Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive anthrax strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.

    On January 14, 1991, the Defense Intelligence Agency said an Iraqi agent described, in medically accurate terms, military smallpox casualties he said he saw in 1985 or 1986. Two weeks later, the Armed Forces Medical Intelligence Center reported that eight of 69 Iraqi prisoners of war whose blood was tested showed an immunity to smallpox, which had not occurred naturally in Iraq since 1971; the same prisoners had also been inoculated for anthrax. The assumption being that Iraq used both smallpox and anthrax during this war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_...truction#Western_help_with_Iraq's_WMD_program
     
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    Really? Are you wearing your tinfoil hat to deflect the CIA mindbeams? Yes, Blair did facilitate the liberation of Iraq, one of his better achievements.
    Military aggression? Like in France 1917? Or D-day 1944? Or Korea 1950?
     
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    Yes I did, you refused to read them and I refuted yours.
     
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    Dual use, you can use it for legitimate purposes or WMD, the West didn't supply Saddam WMDs, he made his own.
     
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    yeah... selling Antrax to than deny you sold WMD's.
    sure, buddy, sure.
     
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    You sourced nothing.
     
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    As the article states, also for legitimate medical research?
     
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    Yes I did and you said 'Oh I'm too good for it and I don't want to see something which contradicts my beliefs'
     

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