Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

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  1. notme

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    As I noted... Rumsfeld shook the guys hand when Saddam was 3 months in his WMD war.
    They all knew,... nobody cared. You go believe the German way of https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wir_haben_es_nicht_gewußt
     
  2. Reasonablerob

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    Sounds like yours is because there is no way the US or any of Iraq's suppliers were fully complicit with anything, they sold Iraq legitimate goods and technology and Saddam abused them. If you have any evidence to the contrary please state it?
     
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    Yes, because he didn't want Iran to win. There is no conspiracy. Why are you SO desperate to in some way find a method to blame the US? Saddam is clearly to blame for all of this?
     
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    By selling things legally,... doesn't mean you're any less complicit, champ.
     
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    WTF, dude. The US has conspired against Iran for decades. lol
    It all started that the US paid to make a coup happen against an elected government in order to install fascism. And when that nazi got kicked out, the US fully backed up Saddam with his WMD war, selling everything he needed including the military intelligence to use those chemicals on the battlefield.

    You're just to patriotic to admit that the US is just one massive nasty country.
     
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    Yes it does, there was no illicit intent, had they actually sold him weapons you'd have a point but they just sold him the constituents, not their fault what he did with them.
     
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    Yes it has but to install a friendly right wing regime as Ian was drifting into communism. The Shah was no angel but infinitely better that what replaced him, if any country justifies Americas realpolitik it's Iran (or perhaps S Korea). The US backed Iraq because the Ayatollah spreading his revolution throughout the Middle East was their nightmare.

    The US is a great place, the most powerful democracy on earth, people seek to disparage it because they can't accept the reality of the world and would rather 'blame America first'.
     
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    There was illicit intent. Even you admitted the US was doing this to make sure Iraq wouldn't loose the war. Not to mention the FACT that the US aided Iraq with military intel for it's specifically it's WMD war.
     
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    No buts. The US conspired against Iran, where you first denied it did.

    Where half the nations earns 15 bucks an hour or less. And Trump got voted in with less than 20% of the country or something, in that 2 party system.

    Can't stand the heat -> don't be in the kitchen. It's just petty patriotism that you can not stand the truth that the US is a full cooperated with Saddam to gas around. It's even a fact that when the Reagan administration knew that Saddam Hussein gassed 5000 Kurds that they kept on aiding Saddam while tried to put the blame on Iran.
     
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    Well, I for one sure as hell do not.

    Of course, I also did not even see it until you quoted it, because I have that user on ignore. There are quite a few in here I have done that too, primarily for the use of hate speech or racial-religious slurs. I generally assume anybody that does things like that is somebody that it is a waste of time to read, so block their posts.
     
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    How was there illicit intent? Yes, the US helped Iraq so it wouldn't lose the war, so what? And do tell me what intel they provided Iraq that was specific to their WMDs? Specifically?
     
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    No I didn't deny anything, what are you talking about? Yes, one of the most prosperous countries on earth, people actually die trying to come to live in the US. Trump got elected in a free and fair election which everyone agreed on. I know the truth of realpolitik and I accept it, so should you, the US was not behind Saddam's WMD programme, it simply didn't want him to lose the war.
     
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    The coup and the help on the WMD war. The US is just on the totally wrong side of history, being part Saddams genocidal ways.
     
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    I sourced the sold him everything he needed, and Rumsfeld shook the guys hands when he was months into his genocidal war.... and the entire world knew it.
     
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    The US played no role in the coup that eventually brought Saddam to power, it did help Iraq against Iran because it could not risk an Iranian victory, do tell me any intel they provided that was exclusive to WMDs?
     
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    Yes, the US backed Saddam to avoid an Iranian victory and it and other western powers sold him technology with multiple uses which he used in his WMD programme. End of story.
     
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    Why does it needs to be exclusively? The US was fully aware that Saddam gassing civilians around. It even was discussed in the UN. Yet the US kept on sending everything Saddam needed to keep on going,... including military intelligence.
     
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    Yes, to stop Iran from winning the war, how many more times does this need to be said?
     
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    Actually, I strongly oppose it. And it is because of many comments like that from that individual that I have already placed him on ignore. So unless somebody like you quotes them, I never read their comments.

    I condemn all those who use such slurs, regardless of their political beliefs.

    Simply the fact that they are somebody who I have already muted shows my contempt for them. Those I do that to are generally below contempt, and have absolutely nothing worth reading in these forums.
     
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    The only actual war crime is losing.
     
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    Yes, that is the fashionable thing to say in this day of Trump and his global war of terror given him by his predecessors.
     
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    I have said that for years...simply because it is true.
     
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    No, simply because it is fashionable. It is a grossly inaccurate statement, a falsehood, but a fashionable falsehood.

    In fact, losing is not a war crime.

    Military aggression is a war crime, as is torture, but losing is not.

    Taking the country to war under fraud is not necessarily a war crime, but it is tantamount to treason.
     
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    Yet again: in the REAL WORLD, the only war crime is losing. Yes, it is that simple.
     
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    The not so real world inside your simple head, yes.
     

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