Trump pardons Michael Flynn, former national security advisor who admitted lying to FBI

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    YOU don't understand the American legal system he can withdraw his plea especially in agreement with the prosecutor who had determined the case should be withdrawn in toto.


    A distinction without merit Judges do not hire or appoint their own counsel to prosecute a case only the DOJ has constitutional authority to decide to prosecute a case. And it was for him not "the people" "The people" are represented by the DOJ before the court.

    The DOJ withdrew the charge and the plea agreement after gross prosecutorial abuse was found and that no crime was committed, a defendant can withdraw their plea and in fact at sentencing the judge is REQUIRED to go through a series of questions to the defendant to make sure it is still in effect and wants sentencing to continue.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What counterintelligence were they investigating? Counterintelligence against a US would involve crimes. What was criminal about the conversation with the Russian ambassador? There was no counterintelligence investigation into Flynn. Have they started one into Biden's nominee for NSA?
     
  3. Egoboy

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    LOL.. why would they do that?? Sullivan hasn't bent over for our adversaries....... yet....
     
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    Lol now you’re just gas lighting, weve seen the notes, they didn’t say no deception.


    Dated August 2016, the FBI documentation stated that there was an articulable factual basis that Flynn “may wittingly or unwittingly be involved in activity on behalf of the Russian Federation which may constitute a federal crime or threat to the national security.” The file noted further that “Flynn was an advisor to the Trump campaign, had various ties to state-affiliated entities of Russia, and traveled to Russia in December 2015.”

    According to the Justice Department inspector general, the Flynn investigation was properly predicated as a full investigation.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Flynn affirmed his guilt at every opportunity. He never withdrew his plea.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    It was withdrawn in agreement with the DOJ it does not exist and he is pardoned from any prosecution.

    As noted in the WSJ today

    "Mr. Trump announced on Twitter Wednesday that he’d granted Mr. Flynn a full pardon. Liberals and the media are (as per their tedious usual) claiming the president stepped in to aid a corrupt crony. This has it exactly backward. The Flynn pardon was necessary—to correct a corrupt Federal Bureau of Investigation, a rogue special counsel, an unprincipled federal judge, and an embarrassingly complicit media.

    Hope came with a new lawyer and Attorney General William Barr’s 2020 decision to review the case. But even as the executive branch moved to right its wrongs, a federal judge took up the persecutorial torch. In May the Justice Department moved to drop its case, presenting Judge Emmet Sullivan with veteran prosecutor Jeffrey Jensen’s assessment that the FBI never had a legitimate purpose in interviewing Mr. Flynn, that he should never have been prosecuted. The department also presented papers documenting the FBI’s shocking behavior.

    The Justice Department, not judges, makes the call on whom to prosecute. Yet Judge Sullivan refused to accept the withdrawal, instead indulging his politics and his inner petty tyrant. He went so far as to appoint a fellow conspiracy theorist, retired Judge John Gleeson, to spout evidence-free claims that prosecutors were giving special treatment to Mr. Flynn. Judge Sullivan’s behavior was so outrageous that a federal appeals panel in June ordered him to dismiss the case. The full appellate court in August agreed to let him hold a hearing while warning him to get his act together."
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-for-michael-flynn-11606349462?mod=opinion_featst_pos2
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    "The FBI didn’t need to interview the National Security Agency about his conversation; it had the transcript. Yet the bureau’s then-Deputy Director Andrew McCabe sandbagged Mr. Flynn, arranging for him to meet with FBI agents without a lawyer. Former FBI Director Jim Comey later gloated over the setup. The FBI also chose not to provide Mr. Flynn a standard warning against lying, to keep him comfortable. Despite all this, the agents reported—according to government notes—that they “believe that F. believes that what he said was true. He didn’t intentionally lie."
    Link above
     
  8. The Mello Guy

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    Gosh the IG or an op Ed...and an op Ed that lies about what the agents said lol
    I mean it’s a lie you tell repeatedly, but it’s still a lie
     
  9. Bush Lawyer

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    I understand the system far better than you do. Withdrawal of a plea is subject to endorsement by the Judge.



    Yes, the DOJ is supposed to represent 'We, the people,' but in this case, the DOJ left their end of the Bar Table to cosy at the defence end. Just do a simple Google. Appointing an Amicus is common in the USA, as it happens down here as well.


    No gross 'prosecutoial abuse' has been found by any Court. No Court has found no crime was committed. A Defendant has no absolute unilateral right to withdraw a plea made under oath especially well AFTER that Defendant has been walked through the process you have referred to. Court are not there to play games with (especially political games,) and a Defendant needs the Judge to allow him to withdraw the plea. Mate, this is Basic Law 101.
     
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    The ignorance about this case is something to behold. Law by internet chatter.
     
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    pleading under duress is quite common and a specialty of Weissmann.
     
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    Ohhh.... speaking of which, I was just notified his book is on hold for me at the library. Gonna go pick it up and read how he PERSONALLY waterboarded DFG Flynn for 72 straight hours to coerce his guilty plea in front of a judge.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Where-La...nCF0pcF04IEORa9gvV51dNq2hFi96dSoaAn8oEALw_wcB

    Good times..
     
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    Mot surprised you like crooked prosecutors. Goes with the territory.
     
  14. Egoboy

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    Doubtful I'll be reading Bill Barr's Book - How to be a Corrupt Attorney General (for Dummies)

    But as a bonus, I bet it includes some great recipes at the end...
     
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    Duress which Flynn himself swore did not happen. There are allegations, and zero proof. That is something Sullivan would investigate but Powell is doing all she can to put a lid on it.
     
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    Sorry but Sullivan is not an investigator or prosecutor. He is a judge. The case was dropped.
     
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    Funny how DFG Flynn's team and the DOJ were still submitting modifications to filings in late October.... after submitting altered documents as originals to start with...

    Lot of active work for a dropped case...
     
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    It will be dropped when Judge Emmet Sullivan says so. Why do you seek to deny that truth?
     
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    All due to Sullivan.
     
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    No longer relevant. He can’t drag it into the next presidential term hoping for a Biden DOJ to continue the persecution of an innocent man.
     
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    Not technically true... the 8-2 en banc ruling of the DC Appeals court in August, saying Sullivan has every right to rule on this case helped an awful lot...

    Never forget, it was this corrupt version of the DOJ that tried to forum shop to avoid justice... an effort that eventually failed.
     
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    They ordered him to act with dispatch. He only had one option legally and that was to drop the now nonexistent case. That was three months ago.
     
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    LOL @ one option legally...

    Which is not what the law says, but thanks anyway.

    Essentially, the fact that one criminal just pardoned another one pretty much vindicates Sullivan questioning this entire thing....
     
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    It still amazes me how so many are still so ignorant of the case.
     
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  25. Bluesguy

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    Why did they do so for Flynn? Why did they continue after it turned up nothing?
     

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