Trump, Pence, Pompeo Lied About Soleimani

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  1. Goomba

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    No, that would probably be you.
     
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    From the Saker:
    1. Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdl Mahdi has now officially revealed that the US had asked him to mediate between the US and Iran and that General Qassem Soleimani to come and talk to him and give him the answer to his mediation efforts. Thus, Soleimani was on an OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC MISSION as part of a diplomatic initiative INITIATED BY THE USA.
    2. The Iraqi Parliament has now voted on a resolution requiring the government to press Washington and its allies to withdraw their troops from Iraq.
    3. Iraq’s caretaker PM Adil Abdul Mahdi said the American side notified the Iraqi military about the planned airstrike minutes before it was carried out. He stressed that his government denied Washington permission to continue with the operation.
     
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  3. Durandal

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    None of these illustrious sources are correct. Trump doesn't want a war with Iran. He is pretty stupid, but he isn't that stupid.

    He narcissistically and sociopathically imagined that there wouldn't be this kind of blowback to his having such a popular and high-ranking Iranian official killed on Iraqi soil and together with an Iraqi official. He was just angry and lashing out, and hoping that Iran would back down from their recent escalatory actions in response to US actions of late.
     
  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The Saker is fake news, though. I can see that the first part of the first sentence checks out (that the US had asked the Iraqi prime minister to help mediate after the embassy attack), but I don't know about the second part and the second sentence under point 1.

    Also, you should post a link if you're citing a source. http://thesaker.is/the-usa-is-now-at-war-de-facto-and-de-jure-with-both-iraq-and-iran/

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    During the Iraqi parliament’s emergency session, in which some members repeatedly chanted “no to America,” Mahdi revealed new information about the run up to the American drone strike that killed Qasem Soleimani, a prominent Iranian military leader who commanded the country’s elite Quds Force. Mahdi said President Donald Trump called him and asked him to mediate with Iran even as the American president was secretly ordering Soleimani’s killing. Mahdi also said he was set to meet Soleimani, who was carrying a response to an initiative from Saudi Arabia intended to deescalate tensions.

    https://time.com/5759101/iraqi-parliament-vote-for-us-withdrawal/
     
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    Fake news that checks out. Hmmm....

    The Saker is usually reliable with his facts.

    Thanks for the link.

    Edit:
    Iraq’s parliament voted Sunday to expel U.S. troops from the country, after the killing of an Iranian general put the country at the centre of an escalating conflict between its two key allies.

    The nonbinding resolution urges Prime Minister Adel-Abdul Mahdi to rescind the invitation for U.S. forces that Iraq called upon for help after Islamic State overran around one third of the country in 2014.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...-in-favor-of-expelling-u-s-troops-11578236473
     
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    Durandal and Woogs. OMG if this is true it is as bad as it could be.
     
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    Alexa, the US assassinated not only the Quds commander but the #2 Iraqi PMU officer. These men are not irregulars but are under command of their respective governments.

    These assassinations are nothing less than an act of war against both Iraq and Iran.

    Edit: Iran is observing a 3 day period of mourning ........ Friday, Saturday and Sunday. After that, who knows?
     
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  8. Durandal

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    Trump's moronic tweet threatening to destroy cultural sites made it twice as bad, too. People are reacting quite strongly to that, as normal, feeling people would tend to when their cultural heritage is threatened. I would imagine an equivalent for us being, say, Putin publicly threatening to blow up the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore and 50 other culturally significant sites. I say Putin because Russia has the capability to deliver on that kind of threat, and of course we have the capability to deliver on Trump's moronic threat. It would be something else coming from the leader of a less capable power.
     
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    The US has been picking up too many of Israel's tricks. She tends to assassinate Palestinians when they are wanting to talk peace - and that is true.

    Europe is definitely out. our pretty pathetic far right new foreign crew claim they are with Trump on this but just want to stop escalation whatever that means. We have been told
    that the UK were not told before it happened but this is making Boris going into hiding and not talking about it more understandable. Unless they manage to keep it from the British people they will not let us be involved. That leaves the US on its own. It is madness. Trump was getting the laying on of hands lark today from the Christian right. I suspect this is for them - and Israel. The Democrats apparently let a bill go through which will allow Trump to declare war on any country without their approval.

    This is really hard to digest because it is madness.
     
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    https://www.gardner.senate.gov/news...-terrorism-passes-foreign-relations-committee

    Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Cory Gardner’s (R-CO) legislation to determine if Russia is a state sponsor of terror was approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today. The legislation, the Stopping Malign Activities from Russian Terrorism (SMART) Act, requires the State Department to determine within 90 days and report to Congress whether the Russian Federation meets the criteria under U.S. law to be designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism. This designation is made by the Secretary of State for countries that “have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism” and currently includes North Korea, Iran, Syria, and Sudan. According to the State Department, “sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.”

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    I suppose that "other restrictions" might include assassinations, now that we've crossed that bridge.
     
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    Durandal is like that [​IMG] - so ffuunnyy ! :)
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    I agree it is an act of war...and yes I know it was both of them and apparently a few more who were with them. Tonight I heard the US has been killing more military in Iraq. The people they are killing belong to those brigades which fought ISIS and were Shia possibly Iranian. However they have since been assimilated into the Iraqi army. They are Iraqi. The US has been claiming it has been killing Iranians but it was as I said members of the Iraqi army and that is what the people of Iraq see the US doing - attacking its military. Apparently the situation in Iraq now is that no one can claim any political allegiance to the US and have any political clout....but killing them when they were supposed to be meeting for talks on making things better........
     
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    I wonder how long it would take Iran to have it's nukes up and running

    3 day mourning period sufficient?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-suleimani-killing-iraqi-parliament-us-troops

    They are still keeping the door open.
     
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    That Trump supporters are uninterested in the lies of the Trump administration has been apparent for some time.
     
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    Aren't you the guy who lied about his net worth?
     
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    Your idea of "patriotism" appears to be little more than unquestioning loyalty to the government.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what brings us to the situation Woogs and Durandal report on above.
     
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    Trump loves terrorists. That's why he supports the Saudi vermin who back Al Qaeda and ISIS.
     
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    Probably not. Unless you operate under the assumption that every Shiite in Iraq is an Iranian proxy.

    In any case, the strike on Soleimani was not legally predicated on his past behavior, but on the supposition that he presented an "imminent" threat to US personnel and/or property in the region. Thus far, not a single shred of proof demonstrating that supposition has been put forward. Naturally, Trump supporters require no proof and simply believe whatever Trump tells them. But reasonable people require actual evidence before they're willing to believe something, especially when the individuals making the claim are notoriously dishonest.

    You tell me. Do you have any evidence proving that Soleimani was directing those attacks? Or are you just assuming his guilt based on unproven allegations made by the Trump administration?

    Trump is the one who pulled out of the Iran deal even though Iran was in compliance. Trump is the one who reimposed sanctions on Iran. Trump is the one who sent drones into Iranian airspace. Trump is the one who has warships patrolling Iranian shores. Trump is the one assassinating Iranian officials and threatening to destroy 52 sites inside Iranian territory. The idea that Iran is provoking the US, instead of the other way, is an astonishing reversal of reality.

    Or maybe your assumption that the innocent little US is minding its own business and not provoking anyone is fundamentally flawed.
     
  20. Durandal

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    I've not heard about any such bill. One thing Congress has failed to do is reclaim their authority over acts of war, however. The President has all manner of unilaterial authority to authorize military strikes as it is now, and the justifications for it are vague and broad, so in that respect we are effectively a dictatorship. One moron can take us to war on a pretense.
     
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    Not nearly as fake as CNN and MSNBC though.
     
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    Ok I heard this today but it may not have been today. What I heard was that over 100 Delegates voted with the Republicans against reclaiming their right to say yes or no to war. I have just tried a search but may not have got the right words in as all I got were things on impeachment. It was about not reclaiming their right to stop him going to war and I understood they had a vote on it very recently and over 100 Democrats by voting with the Republicans stopped this happening.

    If what you and Woogs presented is true absolutely anything could happen at any time. All protocol is out the window and they are answering to no one. I think you are due for some protest marches soon but I hear the expected numbers are not that big.
     
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    Enormous crowds have gathered all across Iran to mourn Soleimani's death:

     
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    Here's what happened: The congress was crafting a spending bill. An amendment was added (by Ro Khanna, I believe) that withheld funding for military action against Iran without congressional approval. The amendment was voted down by BOTH Republicans and Democrats, thus proving, once again, that Democrats are a fake and feckless "resistance" whose opposition to Trump is entirely without substance.
     
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    Oh, it's way faker.
     

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