Trump Preparing for Nuclear War

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    We have no "right". But we have the power. And in the big picture that's what counts.

    Might doesn't make right.

    But it makes history.
     
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    The latest is that there was a large volcano eruption in and about the 6th century (?) and it darkened the sky - thus the onset of the dark ages. This caused a crop failure that might have lasted a century. It affected not only Europe, but also China and would account for tribes like the Huns moving into Europe and pushing Goths and Germans into Italy and Spain.

    It might have also accounted for the Slavic migration into the Balkans in and about that time, as well as the Bulgarian attacks on the Eastern Roman Empire and Constantinople. Since all these migrations were going on in the same one or two centuries, something big must have happened.


    At first they assumed the volcano was located in the western part of the US, but now believe it's located in Iceland.
     
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    Missed this before.

    The Shah actually tried to mitigate some of the excesses of brutality of his regime with sweeping reforms in the 70's and it worked to an extent but mostly benefited the wealthy and American corporations.

    The people still hated him, as the dictator and American puppet he was. The Savak was the worst form of torture and state oppression as existed in the 70's outside of say Uganda.

    Mosaddegh and his policies were extremely popular in the 50's and he won elections by landslides.

    He brought in sweeping social andland reforms, worker benefits and compensation to sick and injured workers, started to eliminate forced labour and of course nationalized the nations oil reserves. All things anathema and unforgivable to the corporate empire in regards subordinating vassal states where it's corporations consider other countries resources their own to exploit.

    That the Iranians dared to overthrow the puppet dictator is the reason the US is has been beating them into a corner for all these years. Dare to defy corporate/military interests this is what happens. Everyone from Latin America to Iraq knows this which is why so many of these nations feel a nuke is the only way to protect themselves from American attack.
     
  4. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You have a point about his statement.

    I would never say "nuke'em and quite worrying about their feelings".

    I would say

    "nuke'em till they glow then shoot'em in the dark".
     
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    So much hate!

    Would that it ever rebounds on you as hate sometimes has the ability to do.
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a Greek saying that when you open another person's grave, you are opening your own. I would watch my words.







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    Uncle Sam's my name
    and chaos my game.
    I know it's a shame
    but it's what we do.
    Wouldn't you? Probably not. - Jeannette




     
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  7. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I don't hate anyone. Except people who mistreat animals and children of course.

    Some like to say the following:

    "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind".

    Not at all.

    "If someone takes my eye, I'll take their life."
    "They'll be dead."
    "And I'll still be able to see".
     
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    “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

    ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche
     
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    So nuking Iran wouldn't hurt any animals or children?

    Even so, how badly do you have to dehumanize or demonize a civilization - one that has been around for thousands of years before your empire even wet it's diapers- to justify nuking them?

    I know you are probably just blowing smoke from your air-conditioned den somewhere but still, so much hate.
     
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    are you one of the American who is ok with pre-emptive nuke strike against NK in recent survey ?
     
  11. Dayton3

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    I'm being sarcastic. I don't advocate using nuclear weapons against any other nation on Earth unless they are a nuclear power and it appears beyond doubt that they are preparing to launch a nuclear attack on the U.S., its allies or an innocent third party.
     
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    Only if it appears imminent they are going to launch a nuclear attack on U.S. (or U.S. forces), U.S. allies (like South Korean or Japan) or innocent third parties (take your pick).
     
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    Please share the details and source for this quote: "This is probably why Lavrov said that Kerry was a good man but Obama was pure evil."
     
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    how do you define imminent, they test missile all the time. you don't know its nuke or regular missile, you gonna kill millions civilians just on a maybe scenarios. Even China don't have 1st nuclear strike policy. Nuke is deterrent weapon and there are plenty way to pre-emptive strike using conventional weapon against NK/Iran.
     
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    That would be good for radical Sunni Islamism. Iran represents the 10% Muslim minority sect which is the natural ally of every nation that is threatened by the spread of aggressive Sunni radicalism. The destruction of Iran would be another pyrrhic victory for the US.
    The short and long term cost would be very high.
     
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    The US Deep State does not have enough credibility left to get away with s preemptive strike.
    Retaliation should be the only option on the table, and making sure that our ability to retaliate and utterly destroy an aggressor should be the highest priority for our leaders in this age of the WMD.
     
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    Gee. A bit vicious and hateful, isn't it?
     
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    Well that's a start, but really, it would be so much more moral, and more productive, and more reasonable, and more prudent, and more prosperous, and more sacred if they would just surrender unconditionally, and save me the nukes.
     
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    Nothing at all to do with their being a totalitarian theocracy. Read the Declaration of Independence--it provides the only moral answer needed to rid the world of a tyranny.
     
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    In an age of jet transports, computers, air conditioning, automobiles, Caribbean cruises, HD TV, and on, and on, and on, in such an age of wonders and marvels brought into existence by the creative reasoning mind, it is blasphemous and unholy for any human mind to defend a theocracy for any reason, let alone Islam, the destroyer of the creative mind. Shame on those who do; they stain themselves forever as enemies of liberty, of the independent mind, of the free soul, of reason.

    Have you no shame, those who cry for "humanity" while excusing and defending those who are enslaving, torturing, and murdering the independent souls that make human existence possible.
     
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    Why would "millions" of civilians (or anyone else) be killed in a single nuclear strike to preempt an imminent nuclear attack? I assume such preemption would involve hitting the launch site of the nuclear weapon with a nuclear weapon of your own. A W76 warhead would certainly do the trick. 100 kilotons or five times the power of Fat Man.

    And I'm assuming that the North Koreans don't put their most vital nuclear weapon sites in the middle of their cities for obvious security reasons.
     
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    Actually you can. While lots of the technology involved has never been made public for obvious reasons, I've read that the U.S. (and probably other nations) do have the technology to detect an actual nuclear warhead placed on a missile from some distance away due to the residual radioactivity of the device.
     
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    I shouldn't have said 'pure' evil, but rather just 'evil. I know it was after Obama left office because he wouldn't have said it otherwise. Honestly I wish I could remember where I read things. It was probably in RT, Sputnik or Fort Russ.
     
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    Funny.
     
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    No, it's up to you to provide any evidence for your claims. You lack credibility.
     

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