Trump refuses to pay for damages in Syria

On 7 and 8 August, meeting in Beirut, the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA), estimated the minimal cost of reconstruction at 388 billion dollars.
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The United States, which had been planning the war against Syria since 2004, does not want to part with a penny. According to the Trump administration, this war was created by the Bush Jr. administration and led by the Obama administration. However, these two administrations were not serving the interests of the US people, but those of a transnational financial class. Not only did they destroy Syria, but also the US economy. Thus it is not for Washington to pay, but these people and the transnational corporations directly implicated in the war.

For example, the United States investment fund and rival of the Carlyle Group, Henry Kravis’ KKR (market value 150 billion dollars). It employs General David Petraeus and transferred funds and weapons to Al-Qaeda and Daesh [2]. Or Japanese automobile manufacturer Toyota, which furnished all of Daesh’s new vehicles (market value 170 billion dollars) [3]. Or again, Caterpillar, the manufacturer of construction machines, which sold to the jihadists the tunnel-building machinery necessary for the construction of their underground networks (market value 76 billion dollars). Not to mention the Franco-Swiss cement producer Lafarge-Holcim, which produced 6 million tonnes of cement for the construction of their bunkers (market value 40 billion dollars)

Making the multinationals pay does not exclude obtaining damages from certain states like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar or Turkey, which financed, or certain of whose citizens publicly financed the jihadists.

Read all here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article202418.html
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USA and Israel are exempt from all guilt and obligations!
What else is new in this theater?

 

How much will we be libel for arming the Saudis in their bombing raids on Yemen and the slaughter they caused including a bus load of children???They have part of the bombs identifying them as U.S.

 

Well, I don't know how deep in debt the US is, but they could easily cut Israel off their teats and use that money to help pay for the damages they have caused since 2001, when they started their "war on terror". All those wars were illegal and a crime against humanity.

 

Trump is a liar for starters.. and just too stupid.. The US didn't plan or cause the five year drought that destroyed Syria's agriculture or oil sectors.

You'll have to prove that KSA or Kuwait etc financed the jihadis from Iraq.. Let Russia pick up the bill or take Assad's money to rebuild the country. The Assad family's net worth is $122 billion.

 

Really? Are they that rich? Probably not anymore... all their investments are either destroyed or frozen.
Anyway, we weren't talking about a drought, we were talking about bombing Syria to rubble and causing millions of refugees. For THAT the US is responsible!

 

The US didn't get involved in Syria for 2 years after Assad began killing Syrians (late 2013). .... Refugees were already pouring into Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and the Gulf States.

You just have bad information.

 

Russia wants Assad in power. To make sure he stays in power they need to stabilize society - reconstruct the nation.
Russia picks up the check this time.

 

Russia's only Meditteranian port is in Syria.

 

Margot you were the first person I am aware of pushing for the US not paying for Syria beginning some years ago on this forum. What prompted you to try and get into people's minds the idea that the US should not pay?

 

Probably depends on how quickly you lose your power. The rate Trump is sanctioning or threatening to sanction the rest of the world including the US's previous allies that could be soon. The UK is to blame with you, particularly with Yemen. It has to be good when the US falls and all this killing and destruction ends

 

There would be zero political support in the U.S. for rebuilding Syria with money from our taxpayers. Zero. So it's not just Trump refusing to do it; it's the American population refusing to do it.

Many, many foreign governments had a hand in the destruction of Syria. But, in the final analysis, this was a country that went to war with itself. The physical destruction of its cities and infrastructure is a consequence of that decision.

 

They went to war with themselves as you put it with three no's. No to violence, no to sectarianism and no to outside interference. I think most people agree it was the outside interference which destroyed Syria, cost so many lives and led to so many refugees.

 

Giggles, the neocon princess weighs in

 

I think the outside interference, including that of the U.S. at the outset of the civil war, was wrong. I was against it from the very beginning, and I have said so many times here on PF. But again, in the final analysis, it was Syrians who took up arms against their fellow Syrians, along with some foreign jihadists from around the Muslim world.

 

Who funded and armed these jihaddists you speak of. The Syrians despite Assad's aggression believed that they could win by non violent means. Outside aggressors did not want that. The US was determined for Regime Change and was supporting the Saud's and Qatars interference and I think involved in training and arming jihads from the beginning. It is time the US had some consequences for its destruction of the Middle East. When people are allowed to kill at will and there is no consequences it is not surprising that they carry on. The US is a democracy. Their people bare a responsibility for this. It is appropriate that the US pays a very large part of the needed money given their involvement but of course the Saud's and to a lesser degree Qatar also should pay their due.

 

I resigned the Republican party in 2002 because of the neocons..

 

Qatar wanted a gas pipeline thru Syria which Assad refused... What do you think the Saudis wanted?

 

The US didn't get involved at all in Syria until late 2013. By then millions of Syrian refugees had fled to Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and the Gulf States.

 

Your answer is a typical American answer: We didn't do nothing! The others did it!
Yet, the Destruction of Syria was the plan:

The Plan for the New American Century – a document which was created by neoconservative warmongers in or close to power under George Bush Jr. – listed countries which it wanted the US to attack, namely:
North Korea,
Iraq,
Iran,
Libya and
Syria.

From an article of Dec. 2015, after Russia had entered the theater:

Syria has been anathema to the self-appointed arbiters of righteousness:
the ‘international community’, that coterie of hypocrites which arrogates to itself the monopoly on meting out death to those who won’t get with the program.

This group dislikes Syria and has an uncompromising stance towards Israel and an independent financial system. It is using the chance to destroy Syria to flood Europe with refugees, thus further debasing the make-up of its constituent nations, and simultaneously justifying a lock-down in those countries.

Enter Putin
Everything was going swimmingly until Putin stepped in.
What is clear is that his move into Syria threw a spanner into the works of a status quo the US was quite happy with: growing terrorism and mayhem in Syria and spreading nicely to Europe.
(the Chaos Theory, developed by Leo Strauss and studied by Wolfowitz)

France and Britain are milking the crises - they also are bombing Syria!

ISIS was most eloquently outed by author and journalist Gearóid Ó Colmáin on Russia Today as a US creation.

Read more interesting stuff here:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/324853-us-france-britain-syria/

 

There is plenty of blame to spread around for supporting the armed conflict. It could be asked "who armed the Syrian regime?" The answer, of course, is the Russians. So should not the Russians have any responsibility? How about Iran? Shouldn't Iran help pay for rebuilding Syria? They were involved too. We could argue this point all day, but the bottom line is that there would be zero political support from either Republicans or Democrats or the American people at large to spend our money rebuilding Syria. It's not just "the Trump administration".

Syrians started this armed conflict in their own country. Assad's forces shot first; the rebels eventually shot back. No one forced either side to pick up that rifle. Encouraged, armed, trained? Yes, outsiders did that. But it was Syrians who were pulling those triggers, aiming at other Syrians, and now much of their country is in ruins. This is virtually always the consequence of a prolonged civil war in a country, and it is those people who chose to pull those triggers who, in my opinion, bear the greatest responsibility for the outcome. It is worthwhile to remember that the Syrian government welcomed the arms and support provided by the Russians and Iranians. The rebels welcomed the arms and support provided by the U.S. and other Muslim countries in the region. But neither the Russians or the Americans forced those people to take up arms against each other. This was their decision and theirs alone.

 

If you are talking about who is responsible for the destruction of Syria, who is responsible for the killing of at least a millions Syrian civilians and several million Syrian refugees, then the countries responsible are the US, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and they should pay.

and pretty much the same goes for Yemen though in this instance not Qatar but the UAE with of course the Brits pretty much as responsible as the US.

 

But not the Russians, not the Iranians, both of whom were heavily involved. There were a lot of Russian bombs dropped, not just American bombs, but only America bears responsibility for this? With the exception of some foreign jihadis, these were primarily Syrians shooting at other Syrians.

I was always against American involvement in the Syrian civil war from the very beginning, but ultimately, the ones carrying out the war are responsible for it. This is a choice.

 

Screw the syrians

Let russia pay for it

 

You must be aware that the US had Syria as one of the countries they wanted destroyed to make Israel's situation more secure. Syria was to be destroyed in order to make it easier to destroy Iran. If you are going by the people responsible for the destruction, mass killing and mass refugees then it is the US/Saudi Arabia and Qatar possible with Israel as well. You were the people working on Regime Change and in order to achieve that you would fund people who would kill the Christians, Shia and non extremist Sunnis. You are the people who wanted this country destroyed in order that you then could deal with Iran and make Israel's situation in the ME more secure.

 

Except that I didn't say that, Jazz.

I was against American involvement in the Syrian civil war from the very start. To my mind, getting us involved in that was one of the most foolish and utterly stupid things the Obama administration did, and it was a very good reason why I could never have given Hillary Clinton my vote. I thought she was irresponsible and dangerous in matters of war.

That said, when a country goes to war with itself, when two sides in a country take up arms against each other, there are going to be consequences that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't made that choice. Ultimately, it is they who are shooting the rifles who bear responsibility. Nobody forced them to pick up those rifles!