Trump refuses to pay for damages in Syria

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  1. Margot2

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    Assad arrested and tortured 23 Syrian schoolboys.
     
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    Here's a bit of reality for you:

    Washington's intent was to grab Raqqa and the oil and gas rich areas East of the Euphrates for their Kurdistan before the Syrian army could get there. To reach their objective and grab Raqqa as quickly as possible, they bombed the city without mercy and without any concern towards the civilians.

    They also slowed down the Syrian army by using tactics such as false flag attacks in support of the terrorists, as well as have Israel bomb airports and storage facilities.
    The propaganda networks were used to demonize Assad as being indifferent towards human lives, so that he would take extra precautions to protect civilians, and give the Americans more time to occupy and consolidate their positions East of the Euphrates.

    Contrary to the barbarism of the Coalition, Russia did what was right, and opened corridors so the civilians could leave before being bombed and before the army entered. This wasn't only for the civilians, but also for the foreign agents that were embedded with the terrorists and now found themselves trapped. It would have been a sure death for them had they been caught by the Syrian army, who would want their revenge on them for helping the terrorists kill their families and friends and destroying their country.

    With this open corridor the terrorists were also able to escape with the agents to Idlib. It is now a terrorist haven, and is ready to be attacked by the Syrian army. Of course the propaganda networks are flipping it and making the Syrian army the aggressors for wanting to attack a peaceful Idlib.

    There have been reports that the terrorists will stage another false flag attack in Idlib, so that the coalition can bomb the Syrian forces in support of the terrorists. All this proves that
    human lives are inconsequential to Washington as long as they can get away with it. The question is; if the destruction of Raqqa and Mosul in Iraq was intentional so as to ethnically cleanse them and repopulate them with Kurds, then shouldn't it be considered
    genocide?

    Raqqa before the Coalition bombing:
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    Raqqa after the Coalition bombing:
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    Mosul before the Coalition bombing:
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    Mosul after the Coalition bombing:
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    There is nothing more likely to provoke violence out of adults than the molestation of their children.

    F**k with my kids and I'll KILL your ass.

    It's precisely stuff like this that will set off a revolution and Assad's cousin made an enormous error in judgement when he failed to recognize that. If he had stopped at scaring the crap out of those kids and their parents or even roughing them up a little bit nothing probably would have come of it. Heck, the parents might have slapped the kids around themselves. But no - Najib had to go overboard.

    And this leads us back to the more salient point that the conditions for revolution in any country are usually established long before someone or something lights the fuse on the powder keg. In the three cases I pointed out to you, the conditions in their countries were ripe for revolution before Rafic Hariri got assassinated in Lebanon, Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire in Tunisia and a group of kids got arrested and tortured in Syria. Furthermore, the Arab Spring was sweeping across the Maghreb and Middle East, so the likelihood of it spreading to Syria was highly likely. That was another miscalculation Najib made, and the fact he made it in an area where many people were sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood that Assad's father massacred in 1982 only compounded his errors.

    Perhaps, now you can see how all of these things when added together led to the outbreak of demonstrations and violence in Daraa which wound up spreading throughout the country for numerous more reasons. Personally, I think it was karma that Assad's fief became a playground for the competing powers within and outside the region because he had been meddling in other people's countries (Lebanon, etc.) and affairs for years. It didn't help that he made the mistake of riding the jihadist tiger during the Iraq War, either:

    Yet another enormous miscalculation that blew up in Assad's face...
     
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    Isn't the United States already helping with sanctions against Venezuela? The US has its unnoticed ways of interfering in countries they want to topple. Usually, those countries have lots of oil.
    "it's the crude, Dude," a Canadian politician once declared and wrote a book about it, too.
     
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    LOLOL.. The US doesn't want Raqqa.. American oil men won't get out of bed for 30,000 barrels a day .. and neither will anyone else.
     
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    What's that got to do with the fact that the U.S. bombed Raqqa back to the stone age?

    Oh, almost forgot ..... LOLOL..
     
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    Didn't the Venezuelan people elect an opposition-controlled legislature that had the votes to amend their constitution and drive the socialists who have destroyed that nation's democracy and economy out of power?

    Yes, they did.

    You're either on the side of the Venezuelan people or the Stalinists who are oppressing and impoverishing them. The question isn't why the U.S. is supporting the former, the question is why are you supporting the latter?
     
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    Excellent post, Talon.
     
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    The 2017 Battle of Raqqa was the fifth and final phase of the Raqqa campaign (2016–2017) launched by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) against the Islamic State (ISIL) with an aim to seize the city of Raqqa, the de facto capital of ISIL since 2014.
     
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    There have been reports the moon is made of cheese. Shall we believe them, too?


    Actually, accusations prove nothing.


    More hypotheticals? :roll:

    Why don't we talk about what's actually happening in Syria right now. Assad and his backers in Tehran and Moscow have driven the Sunnis out of the western regions of the country and are now repopulating those areas with Shiites.



    Is that considered genocide?

    I know this - it's considered a crime against humanity - and it proves that human lives are inconsequential to Damascus, Tehran and Moscow as long as they can get away with it.
     
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    What like George Soros?
     
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    Why don't you actually find out about Soros instead of parroting partisan ignorance?
     
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    Ethnic cleansing.. Forcing the Sunnis out and resettling Shia in Syria.. Iran wants a Shia corridor all the way to Sidon.
     
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    I was asking you a question.
     
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    Thank you, Margot.
     
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    No doubt about it...
     
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    Amnesty International says US-led strikes on Raqqa may amount to war crimes
    By Angela Dewan and Hilary McGann, CNN
    Updated 3:37 PM EDT, Tue June 05, 2018
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    (CNN)Airstrikes by the US-led coalition in Raqqa, Syria, probably breached international humanitarian law and potentially amount to war crimes, according to a report by Amnesty International that is being hotly contested by the Pentagon.

    The rights group accuses the coalition of killing and injuring thousands of civilians in attacks that were at times "disproportionate or indiscriminate," during its offensive to flush ISIS militants from their de facto capital.

    "The coalition's claims that its precision air campaign allowed it to bomb (ISIS) out of Raqqa while causing very few civilian casualties do not stand up to scrutiny," said Amnesty's senior crisis response adviser, Donatella Rovera.

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    https://airwars.org/news/raqqa-capture/

    Overall, local monitors say at least 1,800 civilians were killed in the fighting. Fadel Abdul Ghany, Director of the Syrian Network for Human Rights, said his researchers estimated a civilian death toll in Raqqa since June of 1,854, of which 1,058 were the responsibility of Coalition forces. According to the Network’s estimates, ISIS was responsible for 311 deaths, and SDF ground forces for 191 civilian fatalities.
     
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    FSA is generally made up of Sunni Arabs, Turkmens and Kurds living in North and Northwestern Syria. They have been fighting ISIS since 2014, which is 1 year before the US coalition and 2 years before Russian intervention.

    They have been succesful in keeping ISIS out of the Idlib, Afrin and Azaz regions. They almost lost Azaz to ISIS because the YPG started attacking them as they were already engaged in a battle with ISIS.

    Politically they are opposed to Assad and are generally called “opposition forces” when referred to in the media. Their main goal along with fighting ISIS is to depose Assad. They are not extremists like al-Nusra of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham but rather a secular group.

    They are supported by Turkey and are currently part of operation Olive Branch along with the Turkish Armed Forces as they try to win back Afrin from the occupying YPG.
     
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    Do not quote me again when all you're doing is posting tripe in a lame attempt to deflect.
     
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    There is no similarity between the FSA and ISIS.

    The FSA is a large group of defected Syrian Army founded during the Civil War. The FSA aims at preventing civilians being harmed by any military force and to bring down the regime that has lead to the current situation in their country.

    The ISIS on the other hand is a terrorist organization that wants to create a single all powerful Muslim state in the Middle East. Their means of trying to achieve the same is one that is followed my several Terrorist organizations of violence and killing innocents.

    The FSA defines identity as Syrian.. ISIS defines Identity by religion.
     
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    It has to do with Jenny's claim that the U.S. was grabbing Raqqa and its oil fields.

    Perhaps, one of you would care to point out all those oil fields for us:

    https://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/
     
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    Yes, I am biased and surely not impressed with the US as the policeman of the world.
    All I have to do is go back to WWII and Germany. I am so disappointed, it hurts!
    And their destructive rampage has continued since then unabated. We used to think the Russians were uncivilized hordes, but the Americans, we found out, were and are not one iota better... perhaps even worse.

    Sorry, Margot, I do not believe that the Americans did not cause the war in Syria. I do believe General Lesley Clark when he stated, seven countries in five years!!

     
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    Jeannette's post was primarily about the destruction of Raqqa by the US forces. She mentioned that Washington wanted the oil fields in that part of Syria for the Kurds.

    Margot, in her LOLOL way, deflected that American oilmen wouldn't get up for the oil in Syria. Maybe so, but that oil helped to finance ISIS and would be valuable for the Kurds.

    So, deflection dealt with. As the map in your link shows, what oil Syria has is between Raqqa and Deir ez Zoir, precisely where the U.S. with the Kurds have been operating.

    Anything else?
     
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