Trump Rips Macron For Denouncing Nationalism: 'MAKE FRANCE GREAT AGAIN!'

No, never has.

As someone once said - "Patriotism is loving your country, nationalism is hating others."

 

Well, France has experience in the matter, since they witnessed first hand how much the German nationalists in the 1930s and 40s cared about other countries, in particular France.

So, spare us the fake notion that American nationalists care about anyone other than themselves. If they did, they wouldn't be nationalists in the first place,

 

yeah right, it is in the history books.

 

Ok, let’s take a family
From one perspective my interest is to be a sexual libertine and enjoy my life to the fullest. OTOH, if I consider the impact upon my family, I might evaluate my interests differently.

Or, we might consider the bankers prior to the 2008 crash. It was apparently I their families interest to make as much money as possible. But at the same time their self interested actions destroyed the economy of the nation. So what was more important? Was the right thing to do to make as much money as possible for themselves while disregarding all else? Or was there a broader duty?

Macron is pointing out that nations have to find a way to live together. And in the past, when nations have only pursued their own narrow self interest.., the result has been disastrous.

So... is it better for nations to exclusively Persue their own narrow self interest at the risk of possibly provoking tensions leading to war, or other international bad result?

If there are narrow self interested actions that might lead to www...it is hard to see how those actions are truly in our self interest in the context of provoking a war

European nations have a very long history where nations have each distained to consider working together in favor of pursuing narrow national interests. There policies ha resulted in centuries of bitter war. Macron and many other European leaders are attempting the challenge of working together for their joint interests.... rather than acting like a disfunctional family where everyone just does what ever they feel like

 

Hitler, Stalin, Japan, the Kaiser, the czar, etc
They all acted on their perceived immediate self interest


Their nationalistic, patriotic choices led to wwwi and wwwii
Simple question
Were their nationalistic choices ultimately in the best interests of their nations?

 

German national SOCIALISTS. You folks are the SOCIALISTS in the US, not us.

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Wrong, type in any dictionary. Nationalism is fine. Extreme nationalism like anything done to extremes is bad. Eating good extreme eating bad.

 

”The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.”

 

People are confusing nationalism with isolationism. Nationalism is fine but done to excess it changes to isolationism:

“Isolationism is a category of foreign policies institutionalized by leaders who assert that their nations' best interests are best served by keeping the affairs of other countries at a distance. One possible motivation for limiting international involvement is to avoid being drawn into dangerous and otherwise undesirable conflicts. There may also be a perceived benefit from avoiding international trade agreements or other mutual assistance pacts.[1]”

 

Agreed. Patriotism is a feeling. Nationalism its the translation of those feelings into policy and actions.

 

No, they have some different qualities. But you are correct in that Trump has qualities of both nationalism and isolationism.

 

I know it is kind of popular in RW circles these days to pretend that the Nazis were some kind of lefties, just because they had the acronym "socialist" in their name. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nazism is pure RW ideology. That's why they persecuted communists and social democrats. Communists, for example, were put into concentration camps, just like the Jews.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/political-prisoners

 

Nationalism is a threat to the EU and could cause it to break apart which is the real reason Macron is using shaming tactics in an effort to manipulate people into rejecting nationalism.

 

Nationalism isn’t bad it’s when exessive nationalism transitions to isolationism is when problems arise. Macron words would have made sense if he would have made the distinction between the two. His words didn’t make much sense as there can’t be nationalism without patriotism. But I see where your coming from that tariffs can be a start towards isolationism.

 

Yes I agree, nationalism works for our nation as we are basically the only real power in North America. I don’t know how well nationalism would work for small countries in the eu.

 

I just don’t see how laying the blame on the right wing for failed ideologies of the past is relevant. Mao and Stalin were left wing, doesn’t matter unless your just trying to score cheap political points.

“Part of Mao Zedong's land reformduring the late phase of the Chinese Civil War[1] and the early People's Republic of China[2] was a campaign of mass killings of landlords[3] in order to redistribute land to the peasant class and landless workers.[9] It resulted in millions of deaths.[7][4] Those killed were targeted on the basis of class rather than ethnicity, so terming the campaign genocide is incorrect. The neologism "classicide" is more accurate.[4] Class-motivated mass killings continued through the almost 30 years of social and economic transformation in Maoist China resulting in the deaths of 90% to 95% of the what used to be 15 million members of the landlordclass in China according to Harry Wu.[4]”

 

They were National Socialists.

I'm pointing out your rank hypocrisy in equating Nationalism with National Socialism, while pretending that Socialism has no relationship with National Socialism. It's special pleading and you are rightly called out on it.

Right Wing ideology is dedicated to the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, you lie when you claim that German National Socialists were dedicated to the US Constitution and Declaration of Indepence.

International Socialists and National Socialists have been at each other's throats since the beginning. It's vile slander to attempt to smear US Conservatives in a fight they are not a part of. When the Antifa is breaking the doors of News Commentators they disagree with in an attempt to silence them, it is they are the Nazi's, not Tucker Carlson, who is supports the ideals of American Liberal Democracy as spelled in the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

The Left is VERY comfortable with anti-Semitism, as were both Stalin and Hitler, one an International Socialist toasted by the Left and the other a Nazi, decried by the Left as soon as he broke his pact with their buddy Stalin.

Both the United Soviet Socialist Republic and the National Socialists were Socialist governments.

The Left loved one and hated the other. The US Right despised both. It's time for you to exhibit some intellectual honesty and stop with the slander and smears of those who support the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence that undergirds American Liberal Democracy, the longest surviving Democracy in the world today.

You are entitled to your opinion but we tire of the slander and lies. Though it does demonstrate that you cannot intelligently defend your position so are reduce to villany.

 

I was going to write up this big post to explain the differences between the two words, but after researching them on several online dictionaries, I’ve found there doesn’t even seem to be a consensus among differing dictionaries over the definition of just one of the words.

I believe they were originally simply just synonyms, but the words have been used so often throughout history to define the exact same thing, that they have moved beyond simple synonyms to become two words with the exact same meaning.

I was taught growing up that patriotism referred to love for and devotion toward a certain political system—a patriot of democracy, or a patriot of communism, etc, etc, and that nationalism was a love for and devotion towards one’s own nation, regardless of its system of government, and/or even regardless of whether or not that system changes.

 

Hogwash and bull-****in'-****!

This is a correct assessment that I'm sure you don't and won't have the capability to understand...

 

True that!

Nationalism has NO place in the decerebrate NWO.

 

Similar attitudes after the American Revolution—referred to than as regionalism, as it was based on personal loyalties to individual states over the federal government—threatened to break apart the union just as it was starting to get off the ground. Washington warned us about it in his “Farewell Address”.

 

France has neither nationalism nor patriotism.

“Just 29% of the French are willing to fight for their country, according to a 2017 WIN/Gallup poll, a bit above Germany’s 18%. Contrast that to 84% of Israel’s Jewish population. That’s ‘patriotism’ or ‘nationalism,’ as you prefer. The Europeans know neither. All they want is an untroubled journey to extinction.”​

 

The French assistance was indeed significant, I won't deny that. But that's the same reason I supported the Front National. Just as I wish for a powerful centralized government in the US, I believe all governments should adapt centralism as its form of government, thus removing conflict from the world.

 

France was never that great.