Trump Rips Macron For Denouncing Nationalism: 'MAKE FRANCE GREAT AGAIN!'

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    If it weren't for the U.S. in the 1940's France couldn't be a country.
     
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    In what world is fertility and willing to fight related! BTW Israel just likes to kill people
     
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    MAGA=Manipulating All Gullible Americans
     
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    Amalekites are very comfortable in the Left Wing Coalition.

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    There is a reasonably tight statistical relationship between the total fertility rate and readiness to defend one's country.

    Why should any European lay down his life for the welfare of future generations, when there aren't going to be any future generations? Europe's nationalism was a form of national idolatry. Each of the major European nations worshipped at its own altar, and held itself to be a superior culture, a superior civilization, a new Roman Empire, or a new "chosen people," entitled to dominate its neighbors. French grandeur, German Kultur, and Russian messianism fought each other to the death twice in the 20th Century. If you worship yourself, you become the God that failed. Europe wallows in its own pessimism and self-disgust.

    American nationalism has always been different: We never defined ourselves by race or culture. In our best moments we thought of ourselves as an almost chosen people (Lincoln), an attempt to emulate the Hebrew Republic of Scripture. And that is why we saved the sorry derrieres of the Europeans twice during the 20th Century and continue to provide for their defense when they don't have the decency to defend themselves.

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/france-has-neither-nationalism-nor-patriotism/
     
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    When it invented canned food, photography, mostly movies (it's a multiple steps inventions however, different people of different countries invented different things), discoveries of latex, first manned flight, smokeless powder and I didn't mentionned. You probably use every day french inventions. You wear a suit ? It's a french costume.

    Civilizations are born and dies, that's the course of life. France is dead, USA will die one day or another.

    About Macron, there is nothing about him, he is just a little arrogant fool which annoy everybody.
     
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    Yeah, it's almost like allies on the world stage should be able to depend on each other. Crazy notion, I know.
     
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    Here it is, the Progressive spin of the day

    Based on this comical childish logic, if you are not an “American Nationalist” you don’t care about any Americans, right?

    If you are gonna use this argument, then the far Right argument of “Progressives hate America” must also be true.

    This is why so many people absolutely hate Progressices. Their comments are such blatant falsehoods that it is impossible to understand them. They say one thing to one group and a completely other thing to another group
     
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    Leftism is of a particular arrogance all over the world. There is not the only problematic extremists, but their deep conviction they have the morale high ground is an annoyance in every developped country.
     
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    We're near the end as we speak.
     
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    It's not a falsehood. If you are in a relationship with another person, do you tell them that you always come first? If I would tell my wife "Me always first", she'd kick me to the curb, and rightly so.

    Yet, we want to be in a relationship with allies, while telling them America always first? It doesn't work that way, no other country in their right mind would want to work with us on such terms. The willingness to compromise is essential in such relationships. When that willingness is lost because the adherence to the MAGA meme, then it will do great damage.
     
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    If you speak of France, it was based on monarchy and catholicism. We have none of that today. A nation need a solid spiritual basis to survive. There is no such of thing today.
    For me, France is already dead. I just have to think, do my country have still something in common than the one of 19th century beside language ? Barely. I sometimes wonder how to tell the story of this country on which ruins I was born ?

    For USA, I have no clue, you seems to have a bad time for the last decades. The lost of interest in christianity of a lot of people can only lead on a crisis but the USA is a younger civilization, born as a republic at the opposite of most european countries which were born as monarchies.
     
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    Well, maybe they were on the right track at one time.

    From the Baltimore "Afro-American" Newspaper, Jan. 4, 1902...

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    It's astonishing how many poorly educated liberals with far left leaning post here.Nationalism...Charles De Gaulle was a nationalist, Winston Churchill was a nationalist, Gandhi was a nationalist, Nelson Mendella was a nationalist etc....The list goes on.There is nothing wrong with nationalism.Liberals simply lack education.They aren"t educating people,they are brainwashing.Hence they have great diffulty in understanding what nationalism is.
     
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    Putting your nation above others is a bad thing? Huh? What? A president that puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own is a traitor.

    Democrats are dangerous with an attitude like that, but expected. Just look at how much self loathing they show on a regular basis.
     
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    Don't blame them. Obama said extremely similar things about immigration back before he was president, that Trump says today, but when Trump says it, its BAD and he's racist. When Obama said it, he was wonderfully patriotic. Crazy has no bounds.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4656370/sen-barack-obama-illegal-immigration
     
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    The USA in near the end.
     
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    Macron's no better than Merkel.

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    RIOT AND TUMULT: The Yellow Vests Expose How Fragile Emmanuel Macron’s Hold on France Really Is.

    “In November, French President Emmanuel Macron stood under the Arc de Triomphe in Paris and told world leaders on the centennial of World War I that they needed to work together to solve global problems. Less than a month later, the French leader is trying to find the right phrase to unite his own citizens amid perhaps the worst street violence in Paris in 50 years.”​

    Perhaps he should have focused more on local problems. When you’re talking about things that won’t happen until the end of the century, it’s hard to hold the loyalty of people who are just trying to make it to the end of the month.
     
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    I don't know if global warming is real or how serious it might be. But that doesn't matter. All I do know is that humanity is not willing to do the things the experts say we need to do in order to avoid a global catastrophe. People will not accept a doubling or tripling of gas prices.
     
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    Nope. And it's biggest proponents won't give up their private jets and palatial coastal mansions.
     
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    Well, actually, he is kinda right.

    The NAZI's can't really be compared to any spectrum, which is why I do mostly agree with you that it is kinda strange to call them "far-right".

    Their take on fiscal policy was that of a "super-capitalist" mentality. At first, they catered to small business to get into power but then pivoted and encouraged monopolies to take over each individual industry, then partner with the reich. Hitler’s administration decreed an October 1937 policy that “dissolved all corporations with a capital under $40,000 and forbade the establishment of new ones with a capital less than $200,000,” which swiftly effected the collapse of one fifth of all small corporations. This was later increased to higher standards as cartels took further control.

    They did however despise trade unions and actively destroyed any activity fairly early on.

    Their fiscal polices above are the basic factor that people call them Right Wing for. But this does bring up a funny argument, I am sure you have seen the circle of the Left/Right and how at the extremes they come back and touch again?

    Well, if you look at Hitlers "ultra capitalism" and Stalins "ultra socialism" they end up looking almost identical. SUPER powerful control people at the top, controlling entire industries and all the people that work under it.

    But when you throw in about 25% of their work force being slave labor, trying to put them on any spectrum of the Democratic platform is untenable.
     
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    What do you define a "centralized government"?

    That sounds like you think a big and powerful (in our case) Federal power structure would be best, is that correct?

    Or are you talking more of a spectrum thing?
     
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    You know, I was thinking of making another manifesto-style post.(In light of some thinking I'm a "Trumper", but far from it. I just don't think the government should collapse.)

    I'll try to TLDR it as much as possible. You could call it a 'spectrum', in the sense that while we might be a 'big' government, with a powerful military I think it's a case where the size isn't being used to its maximum efficiency. To be very brief: Our city governments(as well as mayoral/governor seats) have various local positions with a degree of autonomy, but no unity in policy.

    Then we have the federal positions, that must respect local autonomy but national laws that supercede that. America's form of government is an identity crisis, where it doesn't know whether to be a National Government or if it wants a decentralized, Continental-style government(IE: The government prior to 1783, the formal creation of the US Federal Government.,)

    The de-centralized country might have made sense in a 13-State/colony "union", but the further we expanded, the less sense/flexibility this model offered us. So for example, one step we made in the right direction(that has never been argued) is when we created the US Dollar.(I'm not talking about the gold standard controversy, I'm talking about when we unified the dollar.) Until then, there were 13 separate currencies and that was borderline inefficient.

    In fact, it is from that premise of the continental dollar crisis(as well as the civil war/reunification) that strengthened the view that the national law should take precedent. But tragically, this is not followed in practice except with the most obvious. So let's take insurance(of all kinds). You know how they 'differ' in price/coverage through every State?

    Yeah, I think that's nonsensical and flies in the face of our dollar reforms. To me, I'd unify all of the laws into National Law. At the very minimum, I would broach the idea of greater cooperation(and synergy) between the local/federal governments. There's more cooperation between law enforcement officers then there is the legislature(or various government heads: Governors, etc.).

    It's my belief that this centralization and this efficiency of the various programs is the future. (Not getting into specifics for each one: For example, Pensions and Social Security need a strategy whereupon we pay the most immediate payments, and seek to ultimately fulfill those payments and have less future obligations. Thus freeing up money for the future. Welfare/EBT is the same concept. And I have whole detailed financial reform ambition to create millions of self-sufficient US Entrepreneurs and workers, to flourish a new era and way of doing business in America.)

    By reducing usage, we get more mileage. By increasing production, we get more output and by virtue, we can start doing something about the debt problem. The tax lever can't do much in reality, we long passed that era. We need to address macroeconomic problems with macroeconomics. Not with taxes.

    Now, very briefly I'll touch on the State: People need something to unify behind. Whether in sports, or in any organization where more than one person is involved, ideology and representation of that ideology is important. One underrated problem is that for the US, that was 'liberty' not only a vague word, but an objective seemingly already achieved. So we have no rallying cry.

    To me, the State/Government's most important objective is to fulfill the potential of its citizens. Not to wage wars, not to necessarily fulfill a certain political leaning. Whether a country is overly religious or not is secondary. There is but one objective: To enable the growth of its citizens. And then to nurture that growth in a self-sustaining manner for the State.

    Right now, because of our apathy we don't care. What the growing popularity of the UK for Americans stems from, is that the Queen/King of England, represent something. The same thing for Japan's monarchy. We think of our government as inefficient, lazy and corrupt.

    The Star-spangled banner is an anthem about our defeat in 1812. Most don't know that, but if they did they'd be even less inspired then they are right now. That's why as a Nationalist, I've listened to plenty of inspiring anthem-like songs for America. At first, I was an 'America the Beautiful' guy, then 'Your land is my land' was also fitting. But in the end, I vote for 'Tis of Thee'. I think that song is much more fitting for us than the star-spangled banner.
     
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