Trump says he opposes funding USPS because of mail-in voting

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    Most (red states) require a good reason. Is being a mask less ******* covered? I doubt it. I thought you didn’t like voting by mail???
     
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    Had plenty last time I voted just as there are plenty of clerks working in stores. There have been no reports of spikes due to any in person voting anywhere.
     
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    Not even a little. Firstly Trump has no power to change election rules. Those are in the domain of the states, not the federal government. Secondly, they can vote at a polling place. Thirdly they can vote on an absentee ballot.

    I have no data on how Utah works. If they mail ballots without having a request for one from a voter, then the possibility of fraud is there.

    If you have already made up your mind, why did you waste my time with the first question?
     
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    "Trump says he opposes funding USPS because of mail-in voting"

    any delay in mail in November is all on Trump then
     
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    The USPS is the only entity required to have a post office wherever Congress says. Amazon doesn't have that restriction, so they only need to put trucks where it adds value to AZ.
     
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    Dirty Donald and his postmaster puppet are known as creating a problem where none existed, before they tampered with it!!!
     
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    Trump of course just requested HIS mail in ballot
     
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    No, USPS should stand on it's own two feet. But that doesn't mean a government should go and ''sit'' in the board-room chairs, as is now the case.
    Same goes for the Judiciary. Sure, there should be oversight but how can it be called impartial if only one individual, the President, has a say in its Supreme Court nominations?

    But these examples are all part of much larger, well known problem;

    The two-party political establishment in the United States has grinded to a halt. Dems and Reps are not governing with each other and haven't done so for years. Specifically when Obama took office.

    There is simply not enough political opposition in the United States to call it a democracy anymore.
    It's all the fault of big money which has killed of any chance for alternative politics to grow.
    This needs to change.

    One of the things that can curtail Presidential power is more parliamentary representation.This would create better checks and balances and prevent a President from being a dictator because there is proper opposition to his rule. In this way Trump might have been impeached a long time ago. In fact, he might not even gotten around to blackmail Ukraine for strong political opposition would have kept him on a leash.

    I fairness to Trump, America's political scene was unraveling long before he came around.
    He's just there to feast on the carcass.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/
     
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    The actual warning from the USPS was that they may not have the capability to deliver large numbers of ballots on time. You and the Washington Compost have put a spin on this warning.
     
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    Ah an insult how shocking... So you cant quote what parts of the article prove your claims?
     
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    This... while they pull 671 high speed mail sorters (that can sort up to 35.000 pieces of mail per hour) and cut over time when they are short handed
     
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    Ah yes ignore all problems current or leading up to it to rant about Trump.. Got you.. Have fun with that.
     
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    Yes imagine that... A entity that has huge issues should have to actually fund what they are promising.. Shocking i tell you!
     
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    In a very expensive way that NO other organization on the planet has to


    Ohhh
     
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    The USPS has had management problems for decades, i.e., predating Trump. These problems will not be solved anytime soon. The US should have set up a robust Public Key Infrastructure after the Digital Signature Act was signed into law 21 years ago and we could all vote in a secure manner via the Internet. Trying to somehow make the USPS a valid infrastructure for millions of people to vote is IMHO doomed to failure.
     
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    And for all that and the mandates from Congress they managed to get the mail out with remarkable success even in a pandemic... even while dealing with workers getting sick... the whole thing

    And now Trump installs this flunky and it all gets torn apart
     
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    The law requires that they be self funded. Before the government can legally fund them, they need to repeal the requirement that they be self-funded. The democrats did not do that. Until they do, this argument doesn't hold water. Without the additional funding that cannot happen without the repeal of the law, they are going to have to continue to cut corners whether it is your mail in ballot, a Christmas card, or a bill from your insurance company.
     
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    Given that Congress mandates their insane and expensive pension set up, and tells them what they can charge, and mandates whether that can close unproductive sites... it sure looks like Congress ( GOP Congresses) are trying to MAKE them fail huh
     
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    Yes. So they upped the ante by removing the sorting machines. Winning!

    You just told me what the article says and then told me they were lying. LOL.
     
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    Which law requires self funding?
     
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    And what happens when they decide rural mail delivery hurts profits?
     
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    That would be one such thing addressed by "certain regulatory conditions", to quote myself.
     
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    the one that created it--- The Postal Reorganization Act of 1970. They even point out on their website they don't receive taxpayer funding https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/

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    Washington, DC (CNN)States are facing a shortage of thousands of poll workers as older volunteers at higher risk for coronavirus complications cancel plans to work on Election Day.

    The numbers are staggering. Maryland announced in late July that it was short nearly 14,000 Election Day workers -- prompting Republican Gov. Larry Hogan to consolidate precincts into voting centers, in part to reduce the number of people needed.
    Shortfalls, though, remain a concern for many state election officials, even as record numbers of people are expected to vote by mail in the November elections amid the pandemic.
    The spring primaries that were held in person illustrated the risks of understaffing polling places in an election that's expected to draw high turnout, with voters in Wisconsin, Georgia and other states waiting hours to cast their ballots.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/poll-worker-shortage-2020-election/index.html
     
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    People are not the only thing the post office pays.
    They have buildings, trucks and equipment. That's the reason many companies work 3 shifts.
     

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