Trump Says He Will Void Birthright Citizenship Law Through Executive Order

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On this thread. I listed 3 groups of people who are not considered "in jurisdiction of US".
     
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    I already did if you were paying attention. Try post #346.
     
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    Glad to see you no longer believe there is such a thing as judicial activism.
     
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    I dont like it but the unelected demigods have that much power

    And maybe it can work for us as well as against us as it has in past undrr more moderate/liberal courts
     
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    No, where are they listed in the text of the 14th Amendment.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    This is #346:

    If that's your argument as to why if Trump signed the EO and SC high fived it, half of Americans would lose their citizenship, then I'm perfectly content to let your "argument" be the Democratic Party response. To me, it sounds so unhinged as to be almost scary, and I bet most Americans, being presented with this, would feel the same.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one suggested they are listed on the Constitution text. The Constitution speaks of jurisdiction, and my post (and the list) explains what it means.
     
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    So you can't actually explain why my argument isn't valid. Why are we not surprised.
     
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    What a coincidence! My posts also explains what it means.
     
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    Well checkmate! I really can't explain why your argument, which is that Trump's EO would cause half of America to lose it's citizenship. It's like Executive Order: Infinity War. Trump snaps his fingers and half the country is without citizenship.

    Could you explain why you think your argument is valid? Because right now you sound like you've moved to crazy town and intend to settle there permanently,
     
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    Obviously it is valid because you can't figure out why it isn't. But to make it simple for you if the 14th isn't valid than anyone ever born to an immigrant who hasn't become a naturalized citizen is an illegal alien and of course those born to those will also be illegal and so on down through the generations. And since if you actually study the history of citizenship at best an immigrant has to be here give years before they can apply for citizenship.

    Here I will give you a study aid.

    https://socialwelfare.library.vcu.edu/federal/naturalization-process-in-u-s-early-history/

    Got it now?
     
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  12. Pro_Line_FL

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    How would a person become a citizen without Jus Solis? If being born in US was no longer enough, the parents would have to apply for citizenship for the baby, and it will require them to prove their own citizenship. I suppose that is how they do it in countries who do not have Jus Solis.
     
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    You mean, like using the plain language of the 14th amendment, case law and cogent arguments, none of which you’ve countered?

    Ok, Rush.
     
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    Mike thinks that repeating the same bilge over and over again is “winning”.
     
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    I think you've confirmed my crazy town theory, but I do appreciate the laugh. I read that first sentence and actually laughed out loud!

    See? We can all come together.
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    You've confused yourself with me. I've used the plain language of the 14th amendment, case law and cogent arguments, none of which you’ve countered.
     
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    So you still haven't been able to figure out why I am not right? That's OK. Thinking isn't everyones strong suit.
     
  18. Nemesis

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    More like abused the language of the 14th Amendment. You don't seem to grasp what "all" or "subject to its jurisdiction" mean.

    Courts have explained the latter, but you've chosen to ignore or misapply those cases in favor of the orange koolaid approach.
     
  19. Lil Mike

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    Arguing with you is like arguing with a flat earther. You posit a ridiculous theory, and then somehow think it's my responsibility to rebut your flat earth arguments. I don't feel I need to. You made a ridiculous charge, that Trump's EO would cause half of America to lose it's citizenship, and you think I need to prove that's not so.

    Nope.
     
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    "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is what the legal case is all about. It matters what was meant by the phrase in 1868 and it matters what the drafters thought it meant. As far as I can tell, we've already discussed all of those angles, so do you have something new to add?
     
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    You think that this phrase is somehow an archaic term of art that’s no longer used? It’s not, my friend. You’re grasping at straws.
     
  22. Lil Mike

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    Well the courts will hash that out.
     
  23. Nemesis

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    They already have; Bonespur’s claim that the Amendment somehow, in some parallel universe, doesn’t apply to the children of illegal immigrants is farcical and in bad faith.
     
  24. Lil Mike

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    Well it's clear that with your use of the Black's Law term, "bonespurs," you've established your bonafides to declare that the courts have ruled on an issue they've not yet ruled on. It's a legal Back to the Future.
     
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    OK.
     

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