Trump Says He Will Void Birthright Citizenship Law Through Executive Order

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    My use of a derisive term for that incompetent phucktard in the WH does not magically render my argument invalid. Courts have already determined what the 14th amendment means.
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Your use of the term does indicate to me if you actually have a serious point to discuss, and no, you do not. The Courts have not ruled on the application of the 14th amendment to the children of illegal immigrants. That's why I welcome the coming court battle. Your response? Bonespurs.
     
  3. ronv

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    Trump… Plan... Surely you jest.
    He's just trying to stir up his base. It will be all gone in a week.
     
  4. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    They weren't under the jurisdiction. Their land was considered a separate nation.

    Native Americans were not citizens of the United States. Many Native Americans had, and still have, separate nations within the U.S. on designated reservation land. But on June 2, 1924, Congress granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the U.S.

    http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/jazz/jb_jazz_citizens_1.html
     
  5. VoxEphemeral

    VoxEphemeral Banned

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    This will impact only future "Anchor Babies" and it will be upheld by SCOTUS because the Anchor Baby is a misuse of the 14th.
     
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  6. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They'll have to amend the text since the Constitution specifically declares Jus Solis. It should be amended to declare Jus Sanguinis instead. Other countries have already done this. No big deal.
     
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    No one knows what the SC will say till they say it
     
  8. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was already reviewed by the SC, and it remains Jus Soli. They have not even hinted they are going to look at it again, and nor has anyone asked them to do so.
     
  9. Nemesis

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    If you don't want to read the rest of my post because I call that slobbering orange buffoon "Bonespurs", then don't. But let's not pretend that it renders my arguments somehow "unserious"; it only means that you have no idea how to address them, and instead have chosen to focus on my use of "Bonespurs" to describe the cowardly hypocrite in the WH.

    Huge copout.
     
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    VoxEphemeral Banned

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    They don't have to amend anything, they just have to point out that the "Anchor Baby" scam is illegitimate......an abuse of the Amendment.
     
  11. VoxEphemeral

    VoxEphemeral Banned

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    I've noticed that namecallers rarely have anything of worth to add to a discussion.

    They just add heat and not light.
     
  12. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. If a law is abuse-able, then the law needs to be changed. That is why we have Congress.
     
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    VoxEphemeral Banned

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    Watch and learn.
     
  14. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Supreme Court already ruled on it.

    Heck, just today we had a 10 page ballot in Florida, and many of the ballot choices were to strike out obsolete text from the FL Constitution.

    Same goes with the US Constitution. Its bizarre the very same people who dislike the 14th amendment the most are also the most opposed to changing the text.

    I am all for changing it, but it needs to be done the right way. We don't want to have clear text in the Constitution, and then listen to judges decide that it should be ignored.
     
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  15. Lil Mike

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    Yes I know, but that has nothing to do with illegal aliens. See you in court.
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    No you're entering repeat mode. Please see response #402
     
  17. ronv

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    It will all go away in about 24 hours and Spanky will move on to a new episode.
     
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    VoxEphemeral Banned

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    Ok, but seriously, you should stop talking nonsense and watch........so you can learn.
     
  19. Nemesis

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    I like to repeat correct statements to make sure that posters who post incorrect statements see them repeatedly.

    I apologize for trying to teach you something,
     
  20. Nemesis

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    Can you point out in the 14th Amendment where it makes a distinction between illegal and legal immigrants?

    You can't?!!

    I thought that you guys were supposed to be "strict constructionists"!
     
  21. Lil Mike

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    And yet you were not able to respond to my comments, so you go into "repeat" mode. Interesting.

    That question has actually been asked and answered probably a 100 times on this forum in the past few days, so you if you still haven't got it, you're never going to. That's why this will wind up in court. You should welcome that.
     
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  22. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I watched. I researched. I learned.

    You should do the same.
     
  23. Mircea

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    They aren't anchor babies.

    Good. I welcome a legal challenge. It is a long established and well-founded legal doctrine held by the US Supreme Court and all 50 State Supreme Courts that no one may benefit or profit from an illegal act.

    Those who were not lawfully situated or had no legal presence in the US do not merit birth-right citizenship.

    The 14th Amendment was intended solely to protect native-born African Americans, not illegal aliens.

    If you have proof to the contrary, then show us.
     
  24. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nikki and Rubio are citizens only because they were born on US soil.

    The proof is in the text saying "all people". I support amending the text to declare "by blood" as oppose to the current "by soil".

    Besides, even if you found a way to twist the text to exclude illegal immigrants, it would do nothing to birth-tourism, since they are here legally.
     
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  25. Nemesis

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    Where?
     

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