Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponents

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    As if there is a politician in the country left or right that wouldn't. Where do you think they got the fraudulent dossier used in a now obviously failed attempt to shape an American election.
     
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    No, here's something that matters much, much more.... Steele went to the FBI to tell them what he was finding.
     
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    They got it from a hired, paid agency that was hired and paid in a lawful, documented, above-board manner. And Christopher Steele went to the FBI to show them what he was finding.
     
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    And then told MI-6 that he couldn't vouch for any of it and MI-6 told The FBI that steele couldn't be trusted. And the number of cut outs used to obtain info from a foreign government doesn't matter to anyone rational.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    That has absolutely no relevance or bearing on Hillary and the DNC violating the law. If a bank robber confesses, what do you suppose the FBI does? Tell the robber that since you told us everything is fine....... have a nice day? Are you just joshing?????
     
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    Now Don is walking back his comment on foreign sourced oppo research. So..........that means Donnie J should have contacted the FBI. That's what we've been saying all along.
     
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    The subject is that Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponents. Trump got it illegally and says he would do it again. Hillary got it legally. And Steele was a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community. Your comments here are not relevant to the subject. They are a deflection.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't break the law..........you are cited for a false equivalence.
     
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    In 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website financially supported by GOP megadonor Paul Singer, to dig up dirt on Hillary. When it became clear that Trump was to be the nominee, the Washington Free Beacon ended the contract with Fusion GPS. Fusion was then hired (in April, 2016) by the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee to keep funding the research. How did Hillary and the DNC violate the law in your estimation?
     
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    So many words so little meaning. Obfuscation for the win.
     
  11. Kode

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    IOW you can't handle the facts? And you can't answer my question? How "surprising".
     
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    "Hillary!"
    "Hillary!"
    "Hillary!"
    Hillary has been cleared. Give it up and face the real criminal.
     
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    Not according to Trump. Haven't you been listening. He be happy to get dirt from Russia or China or any other foreign adversary.

    You really should pay attention.

    Of course, the only way to stay loyal to Trump is to ignore what Trump does and says while inventing fantasies about him.
     
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    Trump is so despicable that his own followers refuse to talk about him.

    This isn't about Hillary, this isn't about a hired British P.I., this isn't about a dossier reported to the FBI three years ago, and this isn't about legitimate oppo research.

    This is about what our President said two days ago. His followers are too ashamed to discuss that. Ergo, the need to change the subject. Why do they support a man they are ashamed to talk about and can't defend?

    I have no idea.
     
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    This is what it is all about.

    Trump is happy to get information on political opponents from hostile foreign governments.

    Trump thinks of himself more as a reality T.V. host than a President, and he loves drama, particularly if he is at the center of it.

    For that reason Trump wants to be impeached. It would be an exciting melodrama, and he would be the star attraction. Moreover, he is assured of a happy ending. The lapdogs in the Senate, otherwise known as Trump Republicans, will exonerate him of any wrongdoing.

    On Wednesday Trump made another bold attempt to get the House Democrats to impeach him. Trump is remarkably predictable, and his desire to obfuscate one dire controversy by creating a more dire controversy is well known. That is how our President works. Never a dull moment, and he doesn't mind at all looking stupid. After all, he is the one who said:

    “No, it’s not what I meant. It’s what I said."

    So, what do we have this week? We have a President who said he was willing to get dirt on a political opponent from Russia, China, or some other hostile foreign government. He sees nothing wrong with that, and, no, he would not contact the FBI. In fact when his own appointee, FBI Director Chris Wray, said that is what campaigns should do, Trump said, “The F.B.I. director is wrong.”

    “It’s not an interference,” Trump said in an interview with ABC News, describing it as “opposition research.” “They have information — I think I’d take it.”

    "I think you might want to listen," Trump said in the interview on Wednesday. "There isn't anything wrong with listening."

    "I think I'd want to hear it," Trump said, downplaying the idea such a move by Russia or China would amount to election interference.

    After all this country has been through, and it is far from over, our President said that. Words fail me.

    Sarah Sanders quit yesterday.
     
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    If Crooked Hillary can do then so can we.
     
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    That makes you an entity, not a person. I am not at all sure which country you represent. I am pretty sure it is not the U.S.

    After all, you said it was perfectly okay for our President to seek assistance from a hostile foreign government.

    Me, I'd like to think Steele was a living, breathing person. He is a British citizen, not a "foreign entity," and Britain is our strongest ally in the world.
     
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    Trump tells us what we already know. I'm glad he has done so. He should try being honest more often.
     
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    Because the campaign paid a foreign entity for campaign help! DUH! It matters nothing if Fusion GPS was hired by Santa Claus to do a report on the Easter Bunny, or if the people at Fusion GPS ate lunch last Saturday. Your throwing nonsensical strawmen into the fray is silly, and not very subtle. Besides, the campaign and the DNC did not hire Fusion GPS. They laundered the money through their legal firm hoping nobody would notice.
     
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    When did speech become a crime and laundering money through Perkins Coie nd FusionGPS to hire Christopher Steele for the purpose of employing the KGB to interfere in our election is normal campaign activity?

    This certainly is about Hillary. Her campaign paid for the discredited Dossier to be marched into FISA courts.
     
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    What in the holy hell are you talking about, and how is it relevant to anything?
     
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    Allow me to disabuse you of your deluded beliefs. The campaign hired GPS Fusion, an American research firm, to continue their oppo research on the Orange Turd. No one in the campaign was aware of Steele being hired to do the work. Nor were they aware of what resources or methods he used to compile his report.
    The comparison to what Donnie J did in accepting the offer from the Russian government to obtain dirt on Hillary is completely specious. Circulated to distract the gullible from the traitorous thing Donnie J did.........and the thing his fat daddy said he would do.............until he reversed himself when criticism from all corners got too loud.

    "Working hand-in-hand with a foreign power for information intended to influence an election is different than hiring a private firm that then hired somebody who had been a former intelligence agent," said Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law.

    "Everybody does opposition research," she added. "The issue here is the foreign government."

    That distinction is critical, experts told us, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.

    https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...ndits-defended-trumps-abc-interview-and-why-/
     
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    YOur idea of facts is to ignore the reality.
     
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    My "throwing"?

    Hey. Listen up. It's ok and completely legal to hire a foreign entity for campaign help IF IT IS DONE LAWFULLY, which is was. There was no secrecy as with Trump. There was no lying about it as with Trump. It was not done with an adversarial despot as in the case of Trump. So it's time to let this go since it was above-board and legal, unlike in the case of Trump.
     
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    No, you're the one who complained of "too many words". I listed the facts, and here is "reality" once again...

    In 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website financially supported by GOP megadonor Paul Singer, to dig up dirt on Hillary. When it became clear that Trump was to be the nominee, the Washington Free Beacon ended the contract with Fusion GPS. Fusion was then hired (in April, 2016) by the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee to keep funding the research. How did Hillary and the DNC violate the law in your estimation?
     

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