"Trump Says Saidi King Told Him He Denies Any Knowledhe of Missing Journaliast"

"President Donald Trump said Monday he had spoken to King Salman of Saudi Arabia, and that he had personally denied any knowledge of the fate of disappeared journalist Jamal Khashoggi."

"As of this moment, they deny it, and they deny it vehemently,” Trump said in an interview before the call with King Salman on Moa day"

http://time.com/5424630/trump-khasho...-saudi-arabia/

We getting a Putin rerun here?

Can already see the "alternative" narrative surfacing, Trump now even planting the inneundos saying "rogue killers" could be responsible, just like "Ghina could have done it"

Saudi Arabia is into Trump businesses for millions, the last thing Trump wants to do is piss off the Saudi oligarchy, not to mention their leverage over him, definately a Putin rerun coming

 

And of course trump knows no type of dictator would lie!!

 

Well, when the World depends on the black stuff flowing from their wells, some cards are hard to play.

Rational people understand the fine line of geopolitics. The less informed just squawk about it.

 

This is the same guy who said that 9/11 was an Isreali plot.

Right.

 

He does seem to share a bromance with autocrats, it is the democratically elected leaders he struggles with, not easy for him dealing with individuals secure enough with the themselves not to need the inflated ego

 

The US is the largest producer now. Maybe you could use that to maybe reduce the dependency of the world on SA in some form or fashion?

 

It has little to do with the flow of oil, if anything Trump has displayed his disregard for consequences of any of his actions on the world stage, it is all about his businesses, Saudi Arabia is into them up to their elbows

https://www.apnews.com/cafffbc8448e49329e04ef7941c2b85a

 

I agree the President has enacted policies that have put the US in a good position. But what of our allies?

And what about the impact on the price of oil? Oil is traded as a commodity. Look at what threats alone do to the price.

 

Nonsense. You should post such ideas in the conspiracy section. That's where the squawkers voice off.

 

Yeah, Obama was a huge friend to the shale oil industry.

But you are right, the price is a big component, which is why OPECs power over Oil is a huge concern. Part of me wonders if it might be the right time to create an organization to run counter to OPEC. The US, Canada, and other oil producing allies could help create an off-set to OPECs almost monopoly on the price of oil.

I don't know how well it would work, but any actions to reduce the dependency of the world on SA is a good thing.

 

I've thought of that myself. Certainly back when I was a cash starved HS student in '73 when the first OPEC embargo hit.

The problem is dependence on oil in Europe. It's a Sophie's Choice.

I think there will continue to be very fine lines that Nations have to walk until a break from fossil fuels can be fully implemented.

We're probably 50 years from that point.

So, IMO, that means Russia, under Putin, must be danced with, and the BS from Middle East leaders must be put up with.

What else can be done short term?

 

Agreed. Europe is the tough spot.

I'd say there is no real 'short term' solution, though I think the threats by the Saudis should be viewed with skepticism as their last attempt to corner the market only delayed the US's ascent to the top of the production pile, while earning them a projected 52 Billion deficit for 2018. I don't think they can really afford another price crash so soon.

Ultimately the US should be using it's European allies to build pipelines and create a Western allied Oil Manufacturing/Distribution network to make inroads into Europe. Also, work on Continental American Oil Independence (North and South). Remove leverages of power from those separated by us via Oceans.

 

Should I assume the left's solution is to bomb Riyadh?

 

Trump doesn't call out the King and it's a Putin rerun.

Trump calls out the king and he's a bully who no tact or diplomacy skills.

How should Trump have handled this when all he did was pass on what the king told him?

 

10 Key Questions About The Khashoggi Affair To Answer Before Buying The Press Narrative

The discipline shown in the messaging campaign against Saudi Arabia suggests Turkish President Recep Erdogan is managing the Khashoggi file directly.



On October 2, Saudi national and U.S. green-card holder Jamal Khashoggi reportedly walked into the Saudi consulate to resolve issues related to his marital status. Through anonymous leaks to the press, Turkish sources claim he did not leave the diplomatic facility alive. More anonymous sources claim he was tortured and murdered, allegations repeated in the U.S. press without evidence.

It is possible that the circumstances around Khashoggi’s disappearance will soon come to light. However, it’s equally likely that the passage of time will only further obscure events. To cast some light on the issue, I thought it was worthwhile asking what seem to me the central questions.

1. Is There Evidence Khashoggi Was Murdered?

Turkish sources say there is. However, no reporters, neither Western nor Turkish, have seen that evidence. If it exists, the Turks have not made it public. In one of the few leaks from the U.S. government, an intelligence official told CNN there is no hard evidence as to whether Khashoggi is dead or alive.

2. Why Has Turkey Asked Saudi Arabia to Join Its Khashoggi Investigative Team?

Ankara has asked Riyadh to help investigate what happened to Khashoggi. This makes no sense. If Saudi Arabia is suspected of abducting or killing Khashoggi, its involvement in the investigation would compromise the probe, even giving a potential suspect opportunity to tamper with evidence. Further, if there is audio and video evidence that a Saudi team killed Khashoggi, as Turkish and U.S. media report, there is no need for an investigation—the case has already been solved.

The Turks’ two irreconcilable diplomatic tracks—official channels offering Saudi a role in the investigation while unnamed sources accuse it of murder—suggest that Ankara is negotiating with Riyadh. It’s unclear what the terms are.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/15/10-key-questions-khashoggi-affair-answer-buying-press-narrative/

 

Case closed. Move on folks. Nothing here.

No body no crime.

 

As a general rule that is the law - and for good reason.

 

If MBS says there's no story, it's good enough for us Trump supoorters. really.

 

"Nonsense?" When has Trump never put his businesses first? He owes the Saudis, the last thing he wants to do is piss them off. And it is always amusing when a conservative accuses anyone else of being caught up in conspiracies

 

Well since it is the Saudi Prince - not King - who is suspected of involvement, Trump called the wrong person...

 

Logically, what are we supposed to do about this? Cancel all trade and arms deals over a murdered journalist? They know they killed him, we know they killed him and they did a horrid job trying to cover it up. They are not the first (nor the last) "unclean" country we will do business with.

Became President of the United States. He would have been far richer staying in private business. Unlike Hillary Clinton who needed public life to pad all of her bank accounts.

 

Could it be that Prince Pooperscooper was responsible for the game of body snatch and King Salami knows not much about how Khashooggi 's body was converted into puzzle pieces.

 

What policies?

North Korea is strengthening thier nuclear capabilities while Trump keeps telling us least they aren't firing missiles, which they don't need to. In the meantime, Trump gives another murdering autocrat recognition on the world stage to obtain a promise to promise. A good position?

Supposedly renegotiated trade deals that turn out to be nearly almost identical to the trade deals in place. At the same time, the rest of the world is negotiating major trade pacts leaving out the United States. Another good position?

Pissed off traditional US allies while allowing China to move into those areas the US is abondoning with some unexplainable "patriotism foreign policy," another "good position?"

Has major world leaders laughing at him right in his face, another "good position?

Iran? The US is imposing sanctions on Iran while the rest of the world including participating members of the Iranian deal is increasing activities with Iran. Another "good position?"

And the list goes on, you got to stop drinking the kool aid

 

Bingo, as almost on cue, the "alternative" narratives have begun from the usual conservative sites

 

Bullshit, if it were true Trump would have put his businesses in a blind trust just as past Presidents had done

And he is becoming richer using the office, there is no indication he hasn't stayed in his private businesses, you didn't really believe all those folders on the desk at his turning the businesses over to the sons photo op were actually fill of anything but blank paper did you?