Trump says time for U.S. to recognize Israeli sovereignty over Golan

If Armageddon didn't happen in 1967 when the Arab nations attacked Israel, again, and Israel defeated the Arabs and took the Golan Heights away to be used as a buffer zone, then why should Armegeddon begin now? Nothing has changed since 1967 except now Golan Heights is finally being recognized as Israel's.

 

The same Arabs who got their butts handed to them when they attacked Israel in 1967? Not likely.

 

You will need to look up what he has accomplished. That will give you the part about his substance. Look that up so you can attain reality.

 

Your Pot shots at the left over the same thing they do daily. Tells us what? Besides not being consistent.

Either way that is my thought on the leftness, the Anti Americans, and the Jew Haters. All based on their history of what they do all the time. Oh and you know they do so, all the time.

If you aren't one of them. Then you have no reason to be worried about them and should go with what was reported.

 

Why don't you tell those of us who don't know all about Trump's accomplishments? Educate me.

 

Start with the Judges. You know should know what Heritage and the Federalist Society can validate.That should give you plenty for changing the course of the country for the next 50-60 years.

 

Its a silly question, what Trump has accomplished is in the eye of the beholder, you could get a list and would surely denounce every accomplishment listed.

The substantial number of conservative judges he has appointed is an accomplishment that will unquestionably have lasting impact.

Trump's promotion of reduced regulation of everything is also having some effect, but this is harder to see unless you are affected, and those who are have noted the accomplishments here; thanks to substantial deregulation the US became an oil exporter, and moved from dependence on oil imports to the world's largest exporter of both oil and natural gas, another major accomplishment. I have extensive experience in construction and can assure you the effect in this field is significant. We know from those oil and gas exports the 'mindset' change in environmental regulation has been significant. Most of these deregulatory efforts will need to go through appropriate administrative legal proceedings and then wend their way through proper judicial proceedings before the full effect is appreciated.

His tax reforms are beneficial (they've benefited me personally) and I know from others that they've benefited from the reduced fiscal extractions by the federal government from their paychecks (an extra 20 or more bucks in every paycheck is a nice boost). Yes, I know the ultra wealthy have benefitted much more, but then again, they're "ultra wealthy" (so this would be natural mathematically with a larger paycheck).

Eliminating the effectiveness of the Obamacare "mandate" is another significant accomplishment too (especially beneficial to all those "young invincibles" in the "gig" economy). As I (like most people) don't suffer from some incurable pre-existing condition that requires monumental expenditures, I'm unaware of the need to address that issue. I do realize that some discernible percentage of the population does have unaffordable healthcare costs due to pre-existing conditions and can only hope the booming tax revenue from the also booming economy will provide enough revenue to subsidize their care.

 

This is not 1967 - Israel is a military superpower compared to Syria. Regardless - the fact of the matter is the entire UN (sans you know who) does not agree with annexation. At that point it is not about what you or I think about the situation in Golan - it is about whether we throw out the rule book or not.

 

You are all over the map. Look - I don't care whether it is left or right - Fallacious nonsense is fallacious nonsense.

Saying that anyone who disagrees with you is either "anti american, anti jew, or liberal" is logical fallacy - false logic.

Proof: I am none of the above - and I disagree with you often.

Second - calling people " anti American or Jew Haters" simply because they disagree with you - is against forum rules

Third - the above does not add anything to the conversation other than painfully fallacious ad hom idiocy ... stop it.

 

Some facts first:
England and France have the Golan to Syria in 1946. They also game Horan to Syria which they confiscated from its Jewish owners by those super powers.
Syria held the Golan for 20 years and is illegally holding the Horan for 70.
Israel holds the Golan for 50 years now.
So for all practical reasons It should continue to hold it.
All the people who live in the Golan are elligable Israel citizens. They enjoy the same rights as the rest of the Israel population.

 

Look you can't deny those types exist so quit trying to avoid reality. No one said you were so it doesn't apply to you. If you think it does.....then that is on you.

Oh and it has nothing to do with me. Oh and most know Anti Americans are foreigners who blame the US for anything and everything. As people know about all the other types. To deny that those types don't post up in the threads is delusional.

Now you rambling and babbling about all of this has not added anything to the content of article and what was reported. So your headgame is just that.....a silly little headgame all because you can't figure out how those types were already accounted for.

Now if you think you can add to the topic then feel free to talk about that.

 

Either you get the point or you don't. I will not continue belaboring the issue.

On this note - this was my first post this morning (See Post 65) http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mueller-dämmerung.552873/page-3#post-1070368778

Feel free to click "Like" because I know you will.

 

Yeah, I seen where you were trying to correct DT. Good luck with that.

 

Kind of difficult to correct the claim "Wrong, Wrong" when the poster has not not stated 1) what it is that they think is wrong and 2) given some rational as to why they think that something is wrong.

This is patent nonsense don't you agree ?

 

I differ, don't think recognizing Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights is tantamount to legalizing "wars of aggression" because the use of military force to seize the territory was in self defense and the need to retain it is due to necessity.

 

You keep veering off my premise. The hows and wherefor's have no relevance to the question of "who gets to decide whether or not the hows and wherefor's are relevant - justify annexation"

I get that you think the above justifies annexation - and you are welcome to your opinion - I do not even necessarily disagree with it. That is however the question being addressed.

The question is
1) whether or not the world community of nations agree's with you and
2) should we follow what you think - or should we follow the rules = what the community of nations thinks.

You said previously - "we should not throw out the rule book"

Well - the rule book states that signatories to the UN conventions are to abide by consensus of the UN when it is overwhelming.

 

Its patent nonsense to Blame Israel or the US Right from the Start before any of the subject is discussed. Wouldn't you agree? You have been here since when. So you know you have it seen it done so for years.

I jumped ahead of that game. Calling them out. It should make them think they have been accounted for and to use some of those smart powers. That their usual just isn't going to be accepted as the norm.

Its called outthinking the opponent.. So you should know exactly how to do so. Rather than worry about those put behind the 8 ball.

 

I do agree. The Problem is the OP does not blame Israel or the US for anything ? It posts the information - US to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan - and comments "Armageddon".

While Armageddon is hyperbolic - this is claim is basically stating - lets get ready for war.

You then responded that - "Anti Americans, Jew Haters, and Leftists" would blow a gasket. - basically labeling folks who disagree with US recognizing the Golan as "Anti Americans and/or Jew Haters and/or Leftists".

This is just stupid.

You didn't call anybody out on anything. Calling someone out entails actually making a valid argument. All you did was demonize people who do not agree with recognition of the Golan. No rational is given .. just an ad hom rant.

How is that "out-thinking" anything. Any idiot can sit in the peanut gallery and name call. That does not require much thought.

What is the purpose for this ? - other than to irritate people - look like a fool - and give evidence to those that would claim that you have no credibility.

How is this any different from DT - Seriously - do you have any respect for when DT does this ?

I get that in the case where one has presented a solid argument - and the other responds with nonsensical gibberish - one might engage in some of the above. OK - we all get flustered at times - but, right after the OP when the OP has not even made the claim that you are railing against .. and you have certainly not provided any argument for your inferred claim - never mind a coherent and solid one.

 

Trump's nominating a vast number of right-wing judges will most certainly have a lasting effect and not necessarily a positive one.
I am opposed to those appointments and also oppose the appointment of liberal judges. In his ignorance, Trump nominated some neophytes to the judicial, people who have never practiced law and did not know basic principles. Just an observation. I prefer centrist appointments for obvious reasons.
Trump's promotion of reduced regulation was done in a haphazard fashion without any research, as he sat at his desk and cheerfully
chopped up environmental regulations since he makes decisions based on his 'gut'. Climate change is very real in my view and should be carefully considered before acting. Most of these regulations were put into effect because industry was abusing the environment in the name of profit. And that is why Trump slashed those controls that have benefited the general population.

Trump's so-called tax reforms were truly a tax reduction for the wealthy with the prediction that "trickle-down" would be the result.
My view is that "trickle down" consists of jobs only and not the passing down of huge amounts of dollars to the working middle class.
And the super wealthy are indeed buying back stock, instead. To goose an economy that was already in process of recovering is folly
and wasn't needed. When the economy recesses, Trump will have no arrows left in his quiver to deal with it.


The "repeal and replace" of Obamacare was an example of Trump's desire to kill all things Obama and satisfy his huge ego.
Obamacare was in place and could have been fixed instead of repealed. And where is the replacement? Why was not a replacement
sorted out before a repeal? Makes no sense.

A trade war will forever see a rise in consumer prices in our country, and his manner has alienated friends and foes alike.
His divisiveness has ignited hatred in our country the likes of which I have never seen. He knows "more than the generals", knows "more about technology than anybody", 'can shoot someone on fifth avenue and still maintain your support'. Ronald Reagan knew
what he didn't know and brought in knowledgable advisors, whether or not they voted for him, who could tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear. Trump has a collection of con-men and other squirrels that make up his inner circle and tell
him what he wants to hear instead of what he needs to hear.

His negotiating skills are abominable. What the hell was he doing in NK? Our experts should do the dirty and he should do the clean-up and take credit.

 

The UN banned "wars of aggression", they'd be the ones to un-ban them and I don't think they should. As the use of force to seize the Golan Heights was in self-defense, it does not qualify as a "war of aggression", so un-banning "wars of aggression" would make no difference to the legitimacy of Israel's occupation of the Golan Heights.

"Wars of aggression" are characterized more than by their effect alone. It is not enough for territory to be conquered, something more is required.

As to the views of the "community of nations" I think we can sensibly anticipate that at least in the UN past practice strongly suggests a majority would oppose anything Israel does, even if it was legitimate and in conformance with international law, the Muslim nations as an unquestionable matter of faith, others depending on their dependence on oil imports.

 

It is actually not for him to decide.

 

Not sure how it will change since Israel has occupied and administered the area for 50 years.

 

So "Throw out the rule book" Your claim in relation to the UN opposing anything Israel does is abject nonsense... just thought I would point that out

 

Ever heard of item 7, the only permanent item on the agenda of the Human Rights Council?

The UN as a body is opposing almost anything Israel does, but individual members are starting to reject this knee-jerk attitude, despite threats.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-fi...manent-anti-israel-item-at-un-rights-council/