Trump says time for U.S. to recognize Israeli sovereignty over Golan

That is true. It is just Trump and friends trying to impose themselves as being dictators of the world disobeying International law. They will no doubt get a few extreme right on side as they have with Jerusalem but like there it will be a very few. Instead they are losing support in the US itself. Most if not all Democrats who are intending on trying for leadership will not be attending and speaking at AIPAC which I am now hearing described as the Military Industrial Complex. Unfortunately they have been bribing both the Dems and the Republicans for a very long time. The US is not a democracy but thankfully for the people of the US some now understand that and are fighting for the people and democracy. As for the US acting this way. Well it, and Israel have might but for how long that will last against the rest of the world and what that will produce, well that is something else. The US days of being able to add Right to its Might are over and should never have happened. That was what the US snuck in after 9/11 much to the destruction of the world.

 

Spare me. Israel has been committing human rights violations for way to many years. About time the EU stopped towing the US nonsense position.

 

Israel held on to the Golan Heights for security reasons, but there was never any question about its ownership until oil was discovered. If Israel really wanted peace, then the perfect solution would be to lease the Golan Heights for 50 years and split the oil profits with Syria.

I turned to Stephen DeNoon of Israeli news live to see what he would say about Pompeo. He said he searched the Bible and that the Golan Heights never belonged to the Jews. Moses even condemned anyone taking land that doesn't belong to them, and that the least Israel should do is split the oil profits with Syria. My sentiments exactly.

 

The UK is taking over the US position. This is what the UK now agrees with

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...e-anti-israel-item-7-from-its-agenda-3-1-2019

The UK believes that the merciless killing by Israel of unarmed men, women and children, the disabled, medics who were trying to save their lives and the press who were reporting to the world was acceptable and to not approve of such behaviour shows a bizarre form of compassion that no proper human being should have. Good human beings now it would appear agree with the merciless killing and maiming for life of the innocent.

The Tories in England unlike many European countries and the US have been unable to get it's courts to bring in laws against criticism of Israel. Instead it with half of the labour Party run by a group within it calling itself the Jewish Labour Movement whose director is a woman whose previous job was in the Israeli Embassy working on how to stop deligitimisation of Israel are working to destroy the Labour Leader due to him following the conscience he has had all his life which makes him conscious of the need to get justice for the Palestinians - and not least because we are the country most to blame for this situation coming into being.

A change of Government in the UK will change all that.

Europe at the moment is on a crises line. We will either follow Israel and the current position of the US and move to the extreme right and fascism which will result in the deportation or worst of those not deemed ethically European, American or Israeli as well as the deportation of Jews to Israel or we will move back to the Social Democratic countries we were prior to neo liberalism and get our democracies back.

Interestingly I was hearing yesterday that American Jews have heard Israel has said if they are not supporting Israel 100% then Israel will in no way try to protect or support them. Given it is the inhumane behaviour of Israel which is the number one cause of antisemitism in the world at the moment, I understand this is causing a great number of US Jews to at last take the step they should have taken a long long time ago and stop supporting the inhumanity and oppression of Israel. I heard they are supporting those in the Democratic Party moving away from this and trying to get democracy reinstated in the US.

 

So much for coherent and solid arguments...

You didn't even bother to understand what I wrote. The position of the EU is shifting in favor of Israel, not against it. But if you wish to stick with Somalia and Eritrea, who am I to tell you otherwise?

 

Wrong. Israel annexed the Golan in 1981. Decades before that alleged oil was 'discovered'.
Also, there is no way the Israeli people will allow anybody to destroy the Golan for some 'oil' profits.
So all these 'oil' BS is just empty propaganda.

 

Perhaps. Many EU countries are making criticism of Israel/BDS illegal. France looks like it is moving into an authoritarian society. It had the army out against the Yellow vests yesterday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-fi...manent-anti-israel-item-at-un-rights-council/

Of course Europe does not have the will of its citizens in this just like in the US Israel is losing support apart from from the Christian Right who are looking forwards to Rapture after thy have created Armageddon there. It is as I said before a time when the West will either move towards fascism and hence then obviously be on the same wave length as Israel or move back towards Social Democracy and the rest of the world.

 

Is that a good thing? Frankly, I oppose the nomination of right wing and left wing judges. My preference is for centrist judges who are
politically impartial. As an observation, Trump nominated some people who were unqualified and had never practiced law or understood basic law principles, just because they voted for him. What a guy, yes?

 

Obviously I figured out that the OP wasn't addressing those types and made the move before he did. It appears you are flustered and all caught up in your feelings to go on and on and on about something that really isn't an issue except to you.

Its laughable that you think this would bring you any respect. Next time I recommend you stay focused on the subject of the thread rather than looking to go personal with any in the thread. As trust me.....if you thought you were trying to be intelligent. It didn't work. Focus on the subject and try not to go personal. As all that is.....is a reflection of what you are about. Despite your attempts at preaching.

Oh and now that you got a straight forward explanation. You should feel better that I decided to give you such rather than mock your limitation.

 

Yes that is a good thing. Oh so you are confused about Originalists with the Constitution. Hence you opposing those on the left and Right looking for Centrists. That tells us you just don't know much about Judges thinking it is a Left Right issue.

Oh he has.....Link up that he nominated people who were unqualified and had never practiced law. Lets see that link. Since the Federalist Society has given Trump the list of people whom to choose from. Show us the Federalist Society listed down those that never practiced Law or understood basic law principles.

Lets see if you can back that play.

 

Oh.....why isn't it his decision to decide if the US will change the policy from not recognizing Israel's claim to the Golan Heights to now recognizing their Annexation of 1981?

 

Had you watched the hearings, you would have seen it happen right before your eyes. You need to become aware of Trump and his shenanigans.
Trump Picks More 'Not Qualified' Judges (1) - Bloomberg Law

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law.../trump-picks-more-not-qualified-judges-

I never said that it is a left-right issue. I said that Trump nominated right-wing judges. And no, that is not a good thing. I am glad that you are an expert on judges thinking prowess and the Constitution. You learned from Trump, yes?

 

It's already destroyed. There are mines all over the place.

We lie, we cheat
we steal and shout.
For isn't oil
what it's about? - Jeannette ​

 

Bravo

 

From your own link.


Bias Alleged
The ABA ratings are purportedly non-partisan, but conservatives have been claiming that the ratings process is biased against them since the 1980s.

“No one who looks seriously at instances of the ABA’s negative assessments of conservative candidates—especially on the malleable topic of judicial temperament—can dispute that the ABA’s liberal bias sometimes comes into play,” Ed Whelan of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, who has been vocal in supporting Trump’s judicial nominees, told Bloomberg Law by email.

“How often and how intensely that happens depends largely on the composition of the ABA committee from year to year,” Whelan, who often contributes to the conservative National Review, said.

Josh Blackman, a professor at South Texas College of Law Houston who also writes for National Review, suggested the ABA has gotten it wrong more than once.

“The ABA has given unqualified ratings to people who went on to become prominent jurists, including” Judges Richard Posner and Frank Easterbrook, Blackman said.

Posner and Easterbrook received “Qualified/Not Qualified” ratings, with the majority of the ratings committee rating them as qualified. Still, their ratings have often been described as low.

And here is the best part.


Trump’s relatively large number of low-rated nominees is likely at least in part due to his decision not to participate in the ABA’s process for pre-clearing candidates.....snip~


LMAO, so the ABA who isn't in the process says they are low. Imagine that.

Oh but do notice that your ABA doesn't say they don't know Basic Law or never practiced Law.

Are you sure your TDS allows you know what that means?


Trump Says Federalist Society Will Pick His Judges For Him
https://www.law360.com/articles/806797/trump-says-federalist...
Trump Says Federalist Society Will Pick His Judges For Him ... Trump cited judicial appointments as a key difference between himself and Clinton, stating that he was going to appoint “great …


Judicial Tracker | The Heritage Foundation
https://www.heritage.org/judicialtracker
The Heritage Foundation. ... The Judicial Appointment Tracker provides current and comparative data about key steps in the process for appointing judges to the federal bench. Donald Trump. Total …


Conservative Experts Lavish Praise On Trump’s New Judicial ...
https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/conservative-trumps-judicial-picks
Conservative Experts Lavish Praise On Trump’s New Judicial Picks. In Action for ... praise on President Donald Trump’s latest round of judicial ... at the Heritage Foundation, …


Ahahahahaha…..even Libertarians are all in on Trumps Judicial Picks.

 

Well of course, the pundits are going to oppose those who disagree with them, yes? The American Bar Association is well qualified to judge the nominees.

Stacking the Courts: The Fight Against Trump's Extremist Judicial ...

https://www.lambdalegal.org/judicial-nominees

You can't see the forest from the trees, yes? Don't be so accepting.

 

I don't believe in this case that oil was the reason for the occupation. This occupation was meant to weaken the opposition and protect Israel's people from attack. Once again, Trump's mouth got in the way of his brains.

 

Yeah....Syria lost back then, as did the soviets so to speak, since it was the former USSR of the day who were the co-conspirators of this fiasco back then.

 

What the leaders of nations profess doesn't exactly reflect the sentiments of the people in our 'modern' liberal world, but rather the interests of certain individuals, bankers and corporations. Politicians are forced to acquiesce so as to remain in power, but it's a dangerous situation since there's an underlying resentment and its going to lead to a lot of civil strife. What happens when it bursts is anybody's guess.

There's a lot of anti Semitism in the EU and it's due to two factors. One is the hard handed and inhumane actions of Netanyahu, (which we support), and the other is the liberal one world order of George Soros with his destruction of nations sovereignty, heritage and culture with the influx of migrants. Both evil in their own right, and neither reflects the sentiments of many Israelis.

Anyway this is just my opinion.

 

The oil wasn't the reason for the occupation since it was only found recently. But there was still a question about the Golan Heights returning to Syria, but it all ended with the discovery of oil. There was no way Israel would give it up. The Golan Heights legally belongs to Syria, but it is needed for Israel's security so there are means for Israel to hold on to it without annexing it outright.

Since the oil legally belongs to Syria they should be compensated for it. I think the best would be for Israel to lease the Golan Heights for let's say 50 years, and share the oil profits with Syria. It would help foster peace in the area, and get rid of much of the hatreds and animosities.

The alternative and what Israel will probably do if the past is any example, is to put their money into more killing machines to spite Assad for his friendship with Iran. So much for peace.

 

This is not surprising. I am not sure whether it is that the UK is a puppet of the US or the US a puppet of the UK ... regardless, they are joined at the hip.

The Iraq disaster was just one example - the UK being the only major European Ally not to object.

Many Jews in both the US and in Israel have been against IDF atrocities - simply on the basis that they are against atrocities.

Never mind average Israeli citizens though .. Even members of the Military have come out against IDF atrocities and wanton disregard for the lives of innocent civilians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/25/israel

 

I did not even mention Somalia or Eritrea ... you brought that nonsense argument up ?

The position of the UN - at present - from anything I have seen - is against annexation of the Golan by Israel.

If you have evidence to the contrary - Sans Britain which doesn't count - do put it forward.

 

Focused on what subject ? It is you who posted a comment that did nothing but ad hom namecalling and demonization - not me. It is you who was not "focusing on the Subject" and now you are projecting.

My calling you out on your ad hom - is focusing on the subject - the subject being your lack of focus on the subject

I didn't get personal .. I simply called you out for ad hom and namecalling. Once again you are projecting.

 

Trump will make it official tomorrow, March 25-th.

"May you live in an interesting time" (Chinese curse)

 

Yes, I hadn't known that till I came on line and started looking things up and discovered wherever you were so were we and almost always without us being told. I had thought that the UK was pretty distanced to the US politically prior to 9/11 and on the outside this would be true though I found out recently that the only thing that stopped them taking us into the Vietnam war was that they were pretty certainly that would lead to civil war here. Maggie got hell when she allowed the US to use our air space in its search for mad dogs.

Of course. I knew I had not put that properly. Many American Jews for a long time have protested Israel's behaviour and some if not all of them are no longer allowed into Israel. However America's Democratic Jews had a reputation for being - I think it has gone from my mind, possibly 'liberal on everything but Israel'. That goes against what you say above. Your Democratic Party has had as solid a funding to support Israel as the Republican but things are now moving. For the past few years I have been hearing that the official Jewish Organisations, the Jewish elite in the US, no longer represent the majority of American Jews possibly moving since the Gaza attack of 2008-9 but much more since the 2014 attack. Israel wants European Jews living in Israel not in Europe and I would think that is the same with American. I was watching a program on it tonight. That suits the new far right very well as well. They would go along with that and deport them. However I would think that Jews who are not living in Israel are not living there because they do not want to. At the same time most of them to some extent have also supported Israel. This was diminishing rapidly in the UK until the Labour Party was sold to the masses as the anti-Semite party and people understandably got scared. Ok going along from all this what I have heard is that there has been a recent change in American Jews - the ones who considered themselves Democrats and were wanting a two state solution. It would appear even they have now noticed this is not going to happen. What is more interesting is that Israel has started banning Jews or interrogating them before allowing them entry if she thinks they have political opinions Israel does not like. She still wants American Jews to move to Israel but she now notices not all of them go by the party line and as far as she is concerned then they are on their own if the west goes antisemetic - something I am pretty sure Israel wants given that she considers countries like Hungary one of her best European allies even though it is showing strong signs of dangerous antisemitism - putting up monuments to the man who sent Jews to their deaths in the 40's for instance and I listened to a video on their new far right. It is quite hard for them really to have a massive Muslim hatred because Muslims try really hard to stay away from them and although they still tell the people they are going to be replaced by Muslims, it does not quite ring true. So it seems, the same old worst rhetoric is coming back. They believe that Jews are responsible for everything that is wrong in the world and according to one if you do not agree then do some reading. One of them said he did not believe Jews were human and praised Hitler for having the right ideas on how to deal with them....but Israel is strong allies with this State. Clearly this is a very strange position for it to have if they do not like antisemitism. What I heard about US Jews and here it is middle of the road Jews, the kind who would still support Israel when she was doing things they would not support anyone else doing and they are probably the biggest in numbers, have decided that given the situation they need now to make a decision. Do they continue to support Israel as she spins out of control to the right and if they do what will be the outcome for them. I have heard that due to this feelings are changing and hearing that Israel's response to them wanting Israel to change her ways and get some values, is to tell them to go to hell she will leave them to cope with any antisemitism alone, they are having second thoughts on supporting Israel. The US is their home, that is where they belong and where they want to stay. I have heard they are supportive of the Democrats who are turning their backs on AIPAC. Now that is new. This is something interesting though we will need to see how it develops.

I am aware of that. I am also aware that there are Israelis who go to jail rather than do military service because they do not approve of what is going on. I know there are Israelis who fight for Justice for the Palestinians and who do things like help them rebuild their houses after Israel has destroyed them. There are lots of things some Israelis do. However you are quite wrong in thinking that is an average Israeli. It is not. They are now a tiny minority called traitors. That imo makes their work even more praiseworthy. Unfortunately as I heard Finklestein say, the reason why the average Israeli supports Netanyhu's corruption and him dragging Israel ever further to the right is because that goes with what they want. I will say I am very aware that Israeli's have suffered massive propaganda particularly due to most of them reading the one free paper. If you believe that Israel could have carried on for over a year shooting unarmed Palestinians who were engaging in an activity they had a legal right to do and not only that but also killing the most vulnerable and supposedly most protected that is women, children, the disabled, medics and the press, without the approval or lack of care from the average Israeli, then you are wrong. Some Israelis have been supporting the people of Gaza. Some Israelis have been trying to get it stopped - they even took it to the Supreme court who ruled it was legal for Israel to do something which is totally against International law. Some Israelis have erected memorials in paper flags to those killed and many other things but sadly it is very far from the average Israeli. It is a few heroic people with massive humanity.