Trump Says U.S. Should Shoot Russian Planes If Diplomacy Fails

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  1. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's the smart lad.

    Indeed, nothing solves problems like shooting, right? Even if you are in international waters and a plane of an alleged friendly nation approaches. You don't like it? Just shoot it down.

    Sadly, I think this sort of threat of pointless violence actually appeals to folks, folks who don't realize the iron curtain fell many years ago, and that rising to the bait of the trolling of Putin is pure 'Murica.

    Hollow and pointless sabre rattling? Why on earth would Turmp, who claim to have so much foreign policy experience, engage in such absolutely nonsensical behavior?

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-should-shoot-russian-planes-if-putin-calls-fail-454902

    Presidential hopeful Donald Trump has vowed to shoot down Russian jets approaching U.S. military assets should the Kremlin reject calls to stop.

    Trump, who declared himself the “presumptive nominee” of the Republican party after another round of sweeping primary victories last week, was speaking to BuzzFeed radio show K File on Sunday, ahead of campaigning in Indiana.

    He was asked about the recent swathe of incidents involving Russian military aircraft zooming at high speeds past U.S. navy vessels in European waters. The latest incident occurred when a Russian Su-27 plane did a barrel roll over a U.S. ship in the Baltic Sea last week.

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    “It just shows how low we’ve gone where they can toy with us like that,” Trump said, describing such scenarios as “terrible.” He insisted that the problem is Russia’s lack of respect for U.S. President Barack Obama.

    “Normally, an Obama—let’s say a president, because you want to make at least a call or two—but normally Obama would call up Putin and say, ‘Listen, do us a favor, don’t do that, get that maniac, just stop it.’ But we don’t have that kind of a president. He’s gonna be out playing golf or something,” Trump said. “But I don’t know, at a certain point, you can’t take it.”

    While U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has condemned previous incidents and said the U.S. command would be within its rights to shoot down Russian aircraft, the White House has not directly threatened to open fire. According to Trump, the U.S. should draw a line in the sand and, if it’s crossed, should shoot down Russian aircraft.

    “I mean, at a certain point, you have to do something … you just can’t take that,” Trump said. “But it should certainly start with diplomacy and it should start quickly with a phone call to Putin, wouldn’t you think?”

    After the first two incidents in April, a White House spokesman said that “communication had occurred” between the U.S. and Russia. The two leaders spoke on the phone a week after the last incident, but there was no mention of the encounter on either administration’s notes from the conversation.

    According to Trump, if Russia rejects calls to stop the approaches, the U.S. should open fire.

    “And if that doesn’t work out, I don’t know, you know, at a certain point, when that sucker comes by you, you gotta shoot,” Trump said. “And it’s a shame. It’s a shame. It’s a total lack of respect for our country and it’s a total lack of respect for Obama. Which [sic] as you know, they don’t respec
     
  2. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Sounds pretty accurate how he laid it out, As a last resort option. I'll ask OP to share what he thinks should be done after diplomatic options fail, >>>MOD EDIT Rule 4 Removed<<<
     
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    Sounds about right.

    When Russian planes are strafig American ships, and doing dangerous acrobatics like barrell rolls around our Planes and putting our people at risk. if they dont stop, sooner or later a mistake will happen....might as well just make it a known policy. Dont respond to hails, and come too close...you'll get splashed down.

    America doesnt cower and hope they go away. No more of the weakness doctrine.
     
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    So when diplomacy doesn't work, what do you suggest that the US military do in order to address threats from foreign, unfriendly nations like Russia?
     
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    And what's the Russian response to our shooting down their planes?

    Then what's our response to that response?

    Then what's their response to THAT response by us?

    Then what's our response to THAT response by them?


    Or just skip ahead and answer my Last Question....

    what happens when Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and the Antarctic research bases are the last bastions of human civilization?
     
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    John Kerry said the same thing a few weeks ago.

    Looney liberals flailing their arms as typical hypocrites again.
     
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    John Kerry said we should shoot down Russian jets?
     
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    That is not quite how anyone put it, but both he and Trump acknowledged a position that says we should not just bend over and take it when another country repeatedly threatens our military and violates our airspace.

    Seems the position of liberals in this thread is to show repeated weakness. How does that work out in the end ?

    Kerry: Shooting down Russia jets 'would have been justified'
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36050689
     
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    Exactly what airspace has Russia violated?

    Do the US now own international airspace?
     
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    >>>MOD EDIT Rule 4 Removed<<<

    If we are in international waters and w have warned an aircraft to remain at a safe distance we have every right to shoot it down. The Russian pilot doesn't know what our operational status is so they show stay back.

    Putin ignored the Turks and he lost an aircraft. He wants to screw with us he can lose more.

    The question is why is 0 letting the Russians kick our friends in the ass as they buzz our ships and planes? We should offer to return the nukes that Ukraine gave up because the then Sen 0 told that we would not let Russia invade them.

    Watch the news? The Turks shot down a Russian plane that was in their air space for seconds and the Russians did nothing.

    We tell the Russians to stay at a safe distance. They do that or we shoot them down and with the weakness of their economy and Trump in the White House waving to red button in the air what do you thing the Russians will do??


    Mr Kerry criticised the gesture and said contact had been made with Moscow.
    "We condemn this kind of behaviour," he told the Miami Herald and CNN Espanol in a joint interview.
    "It is reckless. It is provocative. It is dangerous. And under the rules of engagement, that could have been a shoot-down."


    So Trump, unlike 0 is listening to our SoS.
     
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    Do what would Obama do - bow deeper.
     
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    What would Bush do - beg them to stop.

    What would Reagan do - cut and run.
     
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    Reagan would find another wall and bring that (*)(*)(*)(*)er down.
     
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    What wall did he bring down when he ran away from Lebanon at the first sign of difficulty?
     
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    I know hillary would hire the terrorists, give them heavy weapons, and tell them to over throw their own government, and sodomize their nations leader with a knife.
     
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    Just following in Reagan's "arming the Contras and facilitating their nun rape" shoes.
     
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    Bluster of this sort is unnecessary and unwise if you really want to communicate the idea that military action is a last resort.'
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    But if your objective is to pander to the knuckle draggers in your base, that's another thing.
     
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    our rw friends have already forgot the lessen of jumping into war, not surprised
     
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    What would you do after diplomatic methods failed?
     
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    Diplomatic methods of what?

    Stopping things that aren't even attacks?
     
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    We have agreements with Russia bout how close one's aircraft and ships should come to the other, recognizing an airspace zone of safety around each, inside of which the action can be seen as provocative, and as Kerry said, a shoot-down would have been justified.

    This is a quote from the article that I linked:

    Do you folks ever take a moment to read, much less research, before you go all happy-fingers ?
     
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    Can you provide a source for this supposed agreement?
     
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    Develop an EMP pulse device.

    Basically. a radio frequency emission with broad frequency content, and high electrical field levels.

    Watch the Russian jet flame-out and enjoy the show as he ejects from his stalled aircraft wondering wtf just happened.

    Then deny you did anything.
     
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    So Post #6 was dishonest?
     
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    It was already in the link, in the post of mine that you quoted. You just didn't read.

    - - - Updated - - -

    No. How you characterized it was dishonest. Or ignorant, as perhaps you did not even bother to read, or did not understand, what had been said and reported on.
     

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