Trump scolds NATO allies on defense spending

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    That was for Al Qaida. That took like 3 weeks. The US spend their massive military budget to fight the Taliban... a pointless war... for 10 years. Not to mention to attack Iraq for made up reasons. All in all,... it made the world far more unsafe.
     
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    And right now AQ is currently operating just outside of Turkey's boarder. Turkey is a NATO member, ask them if they think AQ was defeated in 3 weeks.
     
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    Like I said; good luck.
     
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    ISIL was able to start, ... in Iraq ... because the US with their fancy military budget deliberately created a power vacuum by removing the army, government, police force and the entire justice department. Because of fabricated evidence. The chaos than spread to Syria. The EU, and Turkey thanks the US for it's idiotic ways of creating a terrorist hell hole on their borders so millions of people flee for it. It's costing them billions to cope with that. The US is not helping them out. They are just making it worse.
     
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    Stop making wars. You can shrink your budget you know?

    Honestly what do you expect? That we build a dozen aircraft carriers?
     
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    I love how you just skip over the fact that your claim AQ was defeated in 3 weeks was just disproven. Perhaps you can sleep through the next war too until finally it's on your doorstep, and then the US will just sleep through that.
     
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    We'll save money by pulling out of Europe, and letting you folks worry about your own defense. Good luck with Putin.
     
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    Russia is no threat. Germany has an economy magnitudes greater than russia. The majoriry of germans want you go anyways. Dont expect a good bye.
     
  9. notme

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    The US got rid of Al Qaida in Afghanistan in like a 3 weeks.
    The remaining 10 years they were in Afghanistan was a war against the Taliban.
    A war they lost.
     
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    So where did all this other AQ stuff come from? I think you're watching to much fake news.
     
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    Blithering nonsense.

    Trump is right to scold NATO for free-loading off the US taxpayer and to urge them to develop rigorous anti-terror forces.

    And of course, the lovely Melania simply dazzled Europe and the Middle East during their international trip.

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    This trip has been incredible for me': Proud Melania holds her husband's hand as she says farewell after winning hearts across Europe and the Middle East on the president's first foreign trip.

    In a rare speech for Mrs Trump, the first lady addressed US military personnel at a naval base in Italy on Saturday afternoon ahead of the trip back to Washington with Donald Trump.

    The first lady, dressed in a black custom-made Dolce & Gabbana dress with button-embellishments, said she would never forget the women and children she met during her nine days on the road in Europe and the Middle East.

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    'It has been a great trip and many strides have been made,' Mrs Trump said.

    'My husband worked very hard on behalf of our country and I'm very proud of him.

    'This trip has also been incredible for me as first lady.'

    The 47-year-old said she was honored and blessed to have been granted an audience with Pope Francis, and she shared stories of her time spent with sick children in various hospitals.

    She recalled meeting one specific boy at Vatican's children's hospital in Rome on Wednesday.

    'Just hours after leaving, a young boy I spent time with found out he had received a new heart donor. Receiving that news is a moment I will never forget and I wish him a speedy recovery,' she said.

    The first lady also recalled drawing pictures with children in Brussels and one child gave her a picture that said: 'We are all the same.'

    'This trip for me has been very special and I will never forget the women and children I met,' she told the crowd.
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    The first lady also thanked the service members for sacrificing on behalf of the US.

    'I also want to take a moment to thank you all for the sacrifices you make on behalf of our country,' she said.

    She says it's because of their 'selfless commitment' and the sacrifices their families make that Americans are able to enjoy many freedoms.

    'To the families who endure time apart or constant time apart, your sacrifices do not go unnoticed.'

    President Trump then took to the microphone calling his maiden trip abroad a 'home run'.

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    Trump vowed to overcome the threat of terrorism saying recent terrorist attacks in Manchester, England and Egypt underscored the need for the US to 'defeat terrorism and protect civilization.'

    'Terrorism is a threat, bad threat to all of humanity,' Trump said. 'And together we will overcome this threat. We will win.'

    The president's five-stop trip has largely gone off without a major misstep and ended with the promise of an imminent decision on the much-discussed Paris climate accord.

    'I think we hit a home run no matter where we are,' Trump told the soldiers.

    He also touted his meetings with NATO members, adding, 'We're behind NATO all the way.' He reiterated a renewed commitment by NATO members to spend more on defense.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-signs-winning-hearts-trip.html#ixzz4iJrTZbyn
     
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    You push here, and it comes out the other end.
     
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    Oh get real. Melania is a botoxed nude model from Europe. And everybody is making fun of how Trump tries to show his alpha thing with handshaking around.
     
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    I was stationed in Gastonia NC. Your girls love Germans. I just found it confusing that your normal highschool girls dress like prostitutes would dress in Germany.
     
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    Why do you accept that? Even the media is not yet making that story available. We know they hint this though.

    Trump needs to remove our troops from Russia's border. This is provoking them. We have no business being prepared to fight Russia. They are not the Soviets of old. (Obama provoked Russia with our troops being put on the border of Russia. )
     
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    Actually, the ONLY time in NATO history it has actually responded in unison to an attack on a fellow member was for the U.S. after 9/11, when every member sent troops to Afghanistan in support of the U.S. So, your post and your premise are both factually wrong.
     
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    You should be ashamed of yourself.
     
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    Really? NATO didn't really show up in Afghanistan until 2003, before that it was mostly just the UK and Canada alongside the US. Here are the 2009-2011 numbers. But it is refreshing to know that after 54 years they finally showed up to fore-fill their obligations.
     
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    Was this not a response to what Russia did in the Ukraine?
     
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    Extra recruitment because of your stupid bombing of the Taliban many of whom would have not known who, what or where the US was/is.
     
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    So are you saying we dropped maps with our bombs?
     
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    I hear of that yet see nothing done by Russia the USA would not do for Mexico or Canada.
     
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    You forgot about Canada and England who entered the war in Afghanistan immediately. The rest of NATO entered the war in 2003 with 43 nations joining. In fact, NATO allies took command of most of that war while the US retain command of only a portion.

    By the way. . .it took the US several years before they decided to get involved in WWII. . .and that only AFTER Pearl Harbor!
     
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    Oh geeze, you have chugged the kool-aid!

    Trump's lecture in Brussels was very straight-forward, Pay. Up! He lectured his fellow leaders on the issues important for US while paying little attention to the issues stressed by the Europeans – climate, reduction of greenhouse gas emissions, global warming and trade issues. Now they would like us to unilaterally agree to stop possible Russian aggression, but it's their borders, and ultimately, their duty to defend themselves. But they would rather hide their heads and chant: "The challenge of climate change is the one that will define the contours of this century more dramatically perhaps than the others!" than prepare their people to defend their sovereignty, and if we will agree to let them free load off our military and our taxpayers, that works for them.

    The principle of collective defense was initially created to counter the risk of the expansion of the Stalin-controlled Soviet Union into Europe. The U.S. commitment to the article and to the treaty is so obvious that there is no need to mention it explicitly, but, equally important for a strong alliance is the shared commitment to defense. They seem to have a shared commitment to having us do all the heavy lifting.

    Trump hammered home his thoughts on the financial contributions of members to defense, and therefore indirectly to NATO, and the imperative fight against Islamic terrorists. The basic NATO agreement since 2006 was that all countries would contribute at least 2% of their GDP to defense purposes and therefore could contribute to NATO. Europeans were forewarned by Trump. In almost every one of his campaign speeches and continuing since he reached the White House, Trump has emphasized their general refusal to honor the 2006 agreement.

    Trump is not the first U.S. official to criticize Europeans for free-loading of of US for their defense. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles in 1954 warned of a "agonizing reappraisal" if allies of U.S. didn't make a more serious effort to approve the European Defense Community and necessary funding and agree on the commitment to European security. During the 2016 presidential campaign, both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton spoke of the need for Europeans to spend more on defense.

    The 2006 agreement has been largely ignored by 5 out every 5 or 6 nations in the alliance, and they would call OUR commitment into question? We meet our commitment often by nearly two fold. President Trump is not the first to complain that the U.S. has always been the main contributor, and provides far more than its fair share of total capabilities.

    Cost-sharing arrangements of the 28 countries in the common NATO-funded budgets in 2017 range from the lowest, Albania, 0.08%, to the highest, the U.S., at 22.1%. Budgets of this kind in previous years have supported operation costs in various conflicts and also for training, exercises, and communications. A civil budget provides funding costs for NATO headquarters and staff.

    The current contribution in defense of each country in 2016-17 runs from 3.61% (of GDP) by the U.S. to 0.44% of Luxemburg. The main cause of discontent by Trump and others is that only five countries adhere to the 2% agreement: the U.S., Greece, Britain, Estonia, and Poland. France contributes 1.78%, Germany 1.19%, and Italy 1.11% and they are the biggest socialist whiners. Of the total amount of $2.052 million in direct contributions, the U.S. pays $455 million, Germany $301 million, France $218 million, and the U.K. $202 million.

    Europe today is not poverty-stricken. It is able to reach compromises with the U.S. on the complex issues of trade and open markets.

    They deserved their scolding by Trump and would do well to honor their own commitment to burden-share for common objectives and priorities, which as socialists, is what they continually demand of others. It is also incumbent for them to join with the U.S. in what Trump, while in Saudi Arabia, called the fight of good against evil. Climate, trade, and relations with Russia are all important issues, but first with overwhelming priority is the fight against Islamic terrorists. That is NATO's first task.
     
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