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Trump Senate Trial - Legal Team

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by LoneStarGal, Jan 17, 2020.

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    No. And your point is?
     
    JET3534, Jan 18, 2020
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ I makes sense if there is to be balance and objectivity - something unheard of with today's crop of demented Democrats. :disbelief:
     
    James California, Jan 18, 2020
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    Trump, during a Superbowl Interview two years ago, was asked about the division in the country and what he could do to unite.

    His response was to talk about great were his supporters.
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 18, 2020
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Who isn't these days ... :banana::nana:
     
    James California, Jan 18, 2020
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  5. MrTLegal

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    The House Managers are there to present the case of Impeachment to a set of jury members, the Senate. There is a Defense team already which is wholly separate.

    Again, it makes zero sense to effectively put more defense members in with the Hiuse Managers.
     
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    The decision to use those lawyers presents badly, at least from an optics standpoint, for trump to use guys with baggage like "they helped get Epstein a cushy plea deal."

    The story right now is not how they are brilliant legal minds.

    It is "these guys helped get off Epstein," or "these guy interviewed carpet cleaners from the White House but doesnt think you should hear from John Bolton," or "this lady refused to prosecute Trump University while receiving an illegal campaign contribution from Trump."
     
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    The bad optics theory is only true for people who don't understand how the American legal system works.
     
    JET3534, Jan 18, 2020
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    So...the vast majority.
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 18, 2020
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    I hope you are wrong with that assertion. But I will concede you may be right. I am probably somewhat out-of-touch with what constitutes the average level of knowledge these days.
     
    JET3534, Jan 18, 2020
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    ~ I believe this is the story pushed by CNN & leftist media. I do not think America in general is even paying much attention - the "progressive" crowd not withstanding .
     
    James California, Jan 18, 2020
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    Very few people are going to care who trump appoints to his Senate impeachment legal team. It is a niche issue for most folks. But blaming certain segments of the media is dumb.

    Take it up with Fox News while you are it.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-ou...e-people-bring-a-tremendous-amount-of-damage/
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 18, 2020
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    This is not a political trial, nor should it be one and shame on those for making it one, after all the complaining about "fair and impartiality". You wanted a trial to remove the President, you've got one. You want witnesses? It'll be up for a vote after opening arguments.

    What legal fallings these lawyers may or may not have been involved with, is irrelevant. It's an "attack the messenger" fallacy that has no place in a court of law, which the Senate has now become with Chief Justice Roberts presiding.

    Luckily and thankfully, since the Senators have to be silent, this is meaningless media gawking that won't matter much at all when it really counts.
     
    AmericanNationalist, Jan 18, 2020
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    You are correct that these discussions are a variant of the "attack the messanger" fallacy, but they are going to take place because this is a political process. Even the Senate Trial is a political process, despite being slightly closer to a legal proceeding.
     
    MrTLegal, Jan 18, 2020
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    Here is some balance and objectivity for you.

     
    MrTLegal, Jan 18, 2020
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    It's as close as we're going to get, save for a DOJ indictment of the President(which I know everyone anti-Trump would love to happen.) And if the Senate convicts and removes, is exactly what's going to happen. The fallout? Smh, for another time. I do think that politically, it would be more comfortable if the American People made the decision then that of Congress. That's why I've opposed this, I think 2020 should happen. If he wins, great. If he loses, great.
     
    AmericanNationalist, Jan 18, 2020
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    That happened....never. The entire impeachment was done as a political "feel good" for the benefit of Democrats. There was no dramatic shift on opinion. Ever.

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    LoneStarGal, Jan 18, 2020
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    Bluesguy, Jan 18, 2020
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    There is no way that 67 Senators will vote to remove Trump from office. The end of this story was written before Monarch Nancy went forward with a partisan investigation before she even had full support of her own House.

    Fortunately, it will probably be over in a few short weeks, and we can get on with the 2020 election. Barring additional witness depositions, of course....in which case, McConnell could run the trial all the way through Inauguration Day 2021.
     
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    I was as active in online political debate then as now and I don't recall the Starr team interviewing boyfriends or dishwashers and Ibhabe his book in my Kindle and a search comes up empty. Who are you talking about? Why would they have been subject to executive privilege even if true? And Starr was a CRIMINAL investigation not a matter of Congress and separation of power.
     
    Bluesguy, Jan 18, 2020
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    If they even exist and apples and oranges Starr was a criminal investigation by a federal prosecutor. And the fact is several times he went to court to obtain information.
     
    Bluesguy, Jan 18, 2020
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    Impeachments in the past have begun with a vote of the full House.
     
    Bluesguy, Jan 18, 2020
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    Butt hurt democrats mostly

    Tell me internet lawyer, when you have a case with overwhelming evidence like you democrats claimed shouldn't support for removal go up not down?​

    Is this one of those whataboutism's that you are always whining about?
     
    mngam, Jan 18, 2020
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    You simply cannot fix stupid...
     
    Egoboy, Jan 18, 2020
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    Yes, but you could vote Pelosi out.
     
    mngam, Jan 18, 2020
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