Trump should have been at the inauguration.

Regardless of his feelings about the election, its legitimacy, the fairness of the process, Mr. Trump today illustrated better than any of his many detractors could that his actions demonstrate those of a self-centered megalomaniac who is unable to recognize the immensity of this office. What an embarrassment the he basically told the American people, "screw you guys, I'm going home."

 

You dont go where criminal activity is happening.

 

There are times in any person's life where they realize there are things bigger than them. For the sake of the nation, he should have been there. Very disappointing to note his absence.

 

Like the democrats have demonstrated so may times?
They abused Trump unmercifully for more that four years.
Biden is being installed behind razor wire like a dictator in south America.
Half the nation is pretty sure that the only reason is fraud.
Why would anyone dignify that?
My flag is flying upside down today- because the nation is in peril. Biden didn't do that personally, but the crowd he's running with and who made him their puppet did.
The danger exists until that crowd has lost all power, and is hopefully prosecuted where appropriate.

IF Biden proves me wrong- I'll be happy to apologize. Odds on that are about the same as winning the lottery, so I've not prepared anything yet.
The left could have ended this fiasco at any time, simply by behaving like honorable people- but chose not to.

 

I understand all that. And I don't discount it. Still, there comes a time to realize that things are bigger than you.

 

This will be the one decision I am certain will haunt the Donald till his death. There is truly no grander and more exclusive club than that of XPOTUS. After everything that has happened in the last 4 years, all he had to do was to smile and shut up and he could be up there, like Bush and every other living ex president, but no, his ego wouldn't allow it. He will forever be banished from any state ceremonies that would normally be attended by an ex. That must sting. You did it Donald, you did it to yourself!

 

While I don't disagree, my point is about far more than Mr. Trump being able to enjoy the spoils of being an ex-pres.

 

I totally get what you are saying because that is what I have been saying in regards to Trump's dismissal of presidential norms. However, it is blatantly obvious Trump's motivation has always been about himself and being "accepted" by whatever he perceives to be an elite club, and in spite of his performance as president, he could have stilled benefitted from that statesman perk if he had just acted like an adult.

 

narcissists can't stand others getting attention, this was one of Trump's biggest flaws

 

Nice south park meme. Here's one for you!



Perhaps your side should learn to SHOW DECENCY BEFORE EXPECTING IT IN RETURN.....capisce??

 

I'm sorry my side?

 

Better get used to this labeling by Trumpers.

They're going to eat each other alive for months to come.

 

To be fair, anyone who rises to national office needs a massive ego and a very thick skin. I think what Mr. Trump lacks is the latter.

 

There is a propensity for groupthink on both sides of the duopoly.

 

True, but it is not in any way symmetrical.

 

I'll have to disagree with you on that one. There is no monopoly on tribalism within a discourse community.

 

yep, it was Trump's fragile ego that was his downfall

 

It's good that you do acknowledge and understand it, because denial has become the standard attitude of most on the left.
It's true that "some things are bigger than you"- but it's damn sure not Biden or the trash he's dragging into the white house. Petty squabbles over policy views should be put aside and people work together. But when it's been a long term vendetta of hate, there's a lot of things that aren't gong to be over until they have been acknowledged and responsibility taken. Even then- they are going to have long-term impact.

An old friend used to tell me this: "I can forgive, and I can forget- but I'll be damned if I will forget what I forgave". Certain things people reveal their true character, and that almost never changes significantly. Only a fools forgets what such people have shown themselves capable of and give them the chance to repeat it.

I will not, as the dems have done, belittle everything he does right or wrong- I will acknowledge what he does right but there will be no slack for his failures, his wrongs, his senility or the abuses of his administration. Not an inch from me, and I hope that will hold across the board. It's not Biden personally- he's never been anything special as a congressman, always a wanna-be president. He's now in way over his head and he's not going to be in control, nor have the courage to do the right thing. I hope he proves me wrong, but I'm sure by the time tomorrow morning's news shows up he will have proven me right.

Neither is it over.
Imagine what will happen if for example the claims in the affidavit saying the votes were adjusted using the cyber-war software of the US military are true- and the person making that affidavit has stated made he made copies of the computer files before and after the manipulation to prove it. If so, that would mean Biden would be part of a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government; and he would not be president, he would likely be a conspirator to treason. I don't know if that's true or untrue, but I can say it certainly fits the picture of what has happened and explains it all, which nothing else has. Given we have already found proof of FBI agents plotting against the president, it's certainly not out of character for the people engineering all this crap. Some will say that's ridiculous. No, it's not. People in office are still just people, and character issues affect them all.

I don't know your age or how much you know of the assassination of JFK, but that was certainly not what the government claimed it to be. Any person with a reasonable understanding of ballistics knows the official story was a cover up, but the truth has remained buried for almost 60 years. We still can't prove who was really behind it, but we do know the official story was a lie.
Governments are as much or more capable of deception as anyone on the street.

 

One one hand, that is true- however, is hardly thin-skinned; he never folded to the hate. The problem is he failed to be opaque- put up a facade; hide his true personality from the public, as every professional politician does. He did call it as he saw it, and he did hit back. I admit that is a diplomatic failure- but then, no president in living history has been given so much garbage, starting at from the moment he said he would run. Nobody. I would wonder who could and still do the job he did.

Trump over-estimated the American people as well. He should have known many prefer a comfortable lie to an uncomfortable truth. Collectively, we aren't as strong a people as he gave us credit for.

 

I am, however, not the topic of this thread.

Perhaps. Though the topic of the thread is not "the left."

Don't disagree. But again, the topic here is Mr. Trump.

In my lifetime, I have never seen a president more hated than Trump. Most of it was undeserved. Still, the sentiment in my OP is not about one man.

Once again, Trump is actually the topic of this thread. As for Biden "doing the right thing," that creates someone named "President Harris." Careful what you wish for?

It doesn't have to be over for Mr. Trump to have shown the nation that he understood he was not the office of Commander-In-Chief, only a person so deeply honored with that title. When he flew to Florida this morning, he was still our president. And he basically went AWOL. That is certainly something the history books will not forget.

None of which matters if the Donks hold the House in 22. If the Reps gain control, their first act will be to draft Articles of Impeachment if Biden farts too loud.

As I said, I understand the animus. Doesn't change my position that Mr. Trump should have put his big boy pants on and been our president to the end.

Sure .Some conspiracies are real. I have doubts about the the election -- as I stated above -- but, well, you know what I am going to say here.

Oh far more capable. They've got unlimited resources and plausible deniability. Worse yet the people they deceive are the ones funding the deception!

 

Maybe what I meant to say was he did not do a very good job of articulating his objections and it came off as whining. Not a good look for the leader of the free world. And I think his absence from the inauguration this morning was sort of the penultimate expression of that thin skinnedness. Water over the dam at this point, but I wish he would have considered the nation just this one last time.

That said, I'm dying to find out what he wrote in the letter he left for Sniffy...

 

The topic is why Trump wasn't there, and that has everything to do with the left. Just as the endless attacks, the cancel culture, the running people out of restaurants, the bailing out of riot thugs, the refusal to call arsonists rioters but peaceful protestors, and about 100 more hateful transgressions again the American public in the effort to destroy Trump. The BS line is that Trump made them do these things- which only confirms they are unable to control themselves and are driven by hateful emotions.

The left has done vast damage to the nation, and denies every bit of it. I'm sure you are proud.
The attacks continue, don't they? Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, and blame him either way.
You can deny that is the mantra of the left, but that won't fly either.

 

Maybe someday we will have a perfect president, who will keep everybody happy and still be able to do good things for the nation.
I for one am disgusted with the people who have the priorities of these thing upside down.
Ever try to herd cats?

 

Right. Because he put himself before the country.

That actually makes it look even worse for him.

Politics is a contact sport. I think Mr. Trump forgot one critical thing when he entered office: He is used to being the boss, giving commands and having them followed without question. He did not calculate that he wouldn't be able to turn to his detractors and shout "you're fired!"

Again, "the left" not the topic here. If you want to discuss the left, go ahead and start a topic. Let me know and I'll be happy to jump right in.

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, nor how it's relevant to this thread since, yunno, I AM NOT THE TOPIC.

Oh, the never-Trumpers are obsessed with him. No doubt. And what he did today (or didn't do more precisely) just gave them all the self-satisfaction they could have ever hoped for.

Not sure what I'm being asked to deny, nor the relevance to the topic.

 

Objectively, Trump is a president who ran the best economy of my lifetime, got longtime enemies on two continents talking and signing peace treaties, get the ball rolling restoring the rule of law at the border, undid a fair bit of the worst parts of the Obama presidency, but botched arguably the biggest challenge any leader had to face this century or the last, and had a deeply-flawed personality. My post-election analysis: Had he been only 10% less of an *******, and didn't lie to the public about Wuhan Corona-19, he would have posted numbers too big to be cheated away. That was on him. Twitter would have been doing him a favor if they'd banned him about 3 years ago, not 3 weeks ago.