Trump should NOT get credit for low black unemployment.

I find that when somebody's argument is based on what "they were interested in", it means they have no aguments. I don't care what "they are interested in". I only care what they do. If they solve a problem, if they do something that benefits us, .... that is the matter on hand. Whether they did it because they "like us" or not, is ludicrous, childish and irrelevant.

As for the economy "fixing itself". That just about wraps it up. I could only explain such statement by assuming you were probably too young in 2008, or maybe living in another country. But, believe me, it would not have "fixed itself". And no sane person at the time would have believed that it could. We barely avoided a complete collapse of the Economy that would have made the Hoover Depression like a financial boom by comparison.

 

dems cant even admit fact. Pretty sad that as Trump helps America specifically minorities, the left get angrier. Thats because the last thing dems can have is minorities liking a republican. Theyre supposed to be poor and unemployed so dems can tell them about assistance they will give them in exchange for their votes. How racist can you get.

 

many more blacks found jobs under Obama, than Trump.

many millions more

 

McJOBS don't speed along. Only moving folks into careers, does. When in general the rent seekers, share the productivity gains with employees, there will then be moar money to seek equality.

Right now, rent seekers bleed every human for all they can. Stability dictates a lower wage for those without clout.

 

Your OP to which I replied referred specifically to the unemployment rate (In fact, it is the sole point of your thread title). In response, I pointed out to you that black unemployment fell much further than did the white unemployment rate. In response to that unassailable fact, you have moved the bar entirely away from the unemployment rate. Why?

Are you not happy about the fact that African American unemployment rates have fallen at a greater percentage than have white unemployment rates?

 

This is nonsense.The longest recessions and worst recoveries were orchestrated by Democrats trying to help things along.

 

Now you are playing the liberal game of black/white discussions and then arguing against a perspective I don't have.

Nobody else said corporations shouldn't be taxed. What was said, is that a tax cut on corporations is not the same thing as corporate welfare. Welfare would mean a financial benefit to corporations funded by others. Allowing them to keep their OWN money doesn't align with that definition of welfare.

 

Granted, MY point is tangential to the title.

 

It is a start, but considering we are throwing out the Latinos, the Blacks MIGHT just be getting ILLEGAL type jobs that are going unmet.

 

Cutting PAYROLL taxes ABSOLUTELY does give corp welfare. And we get to make that up.

 

if not for Obama's Fed and stimulur policies we would still be in the Great Recession.

the bail outs, lowering interests rates and QE saved the economy from further disaster

 

Using solely your logic ....So Trump DOES deserve credit for the black unemployment rate?

 

First it wasn't Obama's fed Policy. The fed was independent of the president. All of them. QE did almost nothing other serve to disconnect the stock market from the rest of the economy, and all Stimulous did was pay back a bunch of Democrat bundlers and little else. Things were far worse in the aftermath of Carter, Ford, Nixon, and LBJ all of whom did various economically stupid things that led to a double digit average for the misery index before Reagan was Elected. All reagan did was cut taxes and the economy boomed even with the Fed of his day trying desperately to strangle it.

 

What black/white discussion are you talking about? And, of course it's a perspective you don't have. It's my perspective. What I have said since the beginning: you will pay for those tax breaks you now enjoy. And you will pay them with a hefty interest. Have you seen me change that at any point? All I did on the message you quote was explain to you why.

Nor have I claimed that you did. Read again...

But providing services to them for which you will have to pay more is the definition of welfare.. And I ask again: who do you think is going to pay for those services I mentioned? Who will pay for the education of those workers Corporations will use? Who will pay for the public roads those corporations use to carry their product? Who will pay to maintain the judicial system they use? And to hold crime down, and to keep their workers from killing themselves when speeding to work, and .... everything that those taxes cover? If they get a tax cut, and you don't, that means they won't be paying for it.... but you will.

Simple math....

 

Just smoke sceening--------------right now more blacks are employed than ever.

 

Only in the mind of a leftist liberal does allowing people to keep more of the money they earned equate to welfare.

No wonder the left's economic policies and perspectives are so illogical.

 

You assume that government size and spending remains static. It shouldn't.

Our corporations pay some of the highest tax rates in the world. With a global economy, the ability of nearly half the country to ride on the coat tails of corporations is no longer feasible. It doesn't even make any sense. All taxing corporations does is increase the cost of goods and services making them fail in the name of a global economy.

This idea that corporations pay tax is ridiculous. People do.

All higher corporate tax does is shutter US corporations and slow the economy.

Its simply a stupid policy and makes zero cents (pun intended)

 

Yes! Exactly. Well done!

That's the right answer. Now you understand why, every time Republicans want to give tax cuts to their donors, Democrats ask: where the money will come from? What will be cut?

So every time Republicans in power decide to give "thanks" to the donor class that got them there, something needs to be cut. Exactly like you say.

You have reasoned well up to this point. Now you need to figure out why it is that Republicans never answer that question. This is the pending question. Hint: The answer to this question is also the reason why, in reality, government spending and the budget deficit increases in Republican administrations, and decreases in Democratic ones. Despite the fact that, if you listen to the right-wing propaganda, it should be the other way around.

So you did well on the first part of your post. The second part... not so hot... Of course, if Corporations didn't have to pay taxes, their profits would soar. Just like they would if they didn't have to pay employees and used slave labor instead. But the real world is set in such a way that neither of those is possible. The latter is illegal, of course But the former is just abusrd If Corporations didn't have to pay their part for building roads, educating their workforce, protection of the mother land.... they would also have no roads, no education and no military.... And they themselves would succumb.

So I'll take the first part of your post, and make as if you hadn't written the second part, and give you a big kudos on your solid reasoning. And just hope you use the same to figure out on your own the answer to the pending question.

 

Who ever said anything about corporations not paying taxes? That is exactly what I mean about formulating a black or white option and then arguing against it.

My argument was, a tax reduction is not welfare. End point.

 

tax breaks and incentives are welfare if the corporation doesn't fulfill what its for

 

Democrats are not about equality of opportunity, but of outcome. They want everyone to be exactly identical in every way.

 

if Conservatives believed in Equality of Opportunity they wouldn't oppose the Civil Rights Act.

But they do, they consider it an infringement upon Freedom of Association.

 

Not one DEMOCRAT supported the CRA, but every Republican did! You fail history once again.

 

you have no clue what you are talking about

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

Final Vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act

Yea: Dem 153 Rep 136

Nea: Dem 91 Rep 35

 

Is there anything you would give Trump positive credit?

OR is he all and totally, bad.



Speaking of "bad"
Guess who coincidentally got cast as Satan, or was it the President.
Once noticed, mostly edited out.

Credit Obama for making ,
certified, Not Racist.



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