TRUMP: Still don't mind the change

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    You realize this is nothing to celebrate right? The party you support is as inept and as incapable of the Republicans. That's a hard fact. In fact, they're in the same position as Republicans were in with Obama. If the Democrats worked with Republicans to pass legislation, they could carry a high note, they could argue they've learned from legislative defeats and moved to the center and made Trump look out of touch.

    I don't worry about giving them these hints though, the chances they take those hints are the same chances the party would've denied HRC. Fat chance lol.
     
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    I celebrate nothing. Status quo is where we are headed. I find it odd those celebrating Trump's win. He is on a leash beholden to Pence, Ryan, and company. If he was truly anti establishment, he should have run as an independent. The D are now a minority. The fact that nothing can't get done fall squarely at the feet of the republicans.
     
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    I strongly disliked both going in but after Hilary and the DNC cheated Bernie I came to dislike her even more. The night of the election I celebrated with my friend from work who voted for Trump simply because she lost.
     
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    That's a cute, if very incomplete analysis of what's happening in Congress, so allow me to fill in the gaps. Remember the Never Trump Republicans? They still exist, and before were called neo-con or fiscal conservatives. They still largely exist in Congress(namely the House.) Then you have the Freedom Caucus(Cruz's crew), the Christian Right and extremely fiscal conservative, even by conservative standards. They also hold a no-compromise position.

    Meanwhile, there are very few pro-Trump Republicans. By the nature of Trump's own polarity and the fact that he didn't build a coalition in the Republican Party. Meanwhile, the Party doesn't want to look like it's outright rebuking the Party. Therefore, you've got this cold war-like stalemate in Congress.

    Then there's the Democrats, who have declared mutiny against President Trump and unless something is far-left as to be acceptable, we shouldn't expect any legislation passing from them. So pretty much, 3/4ths of Congress is against Trump. That's not an excuse, that's actual reality. That's your gridlock, in political reality terms for your learning pleasure.

    As a result, this is the worst Congress in history and we can make several predictions about the directions of future Congresses. 1) If the Republicans get a super-majority, this may very well dissipate for the large part. The Republican in-fighting will continue to a degree, but much lesser. This might actually be what we should hope for given the circumstances.

    2) But oh GOD, if the Democrats claim a majority or even higher than that, we can expect Trump to pick up the veto pen. We can expect damn near everything veto'd, and not everything will get 2/3rds to pass, meaning it will be stalled even more significantly. Indeed, we need Democrats to lay low until 2020, that's for the best for this country. Everything else looks like disaster unless they can be bipartisan.
     
  5. PrincipleInvestment

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    Yet Rachel Maddows ratings suggest otherwise don't they? The genderless journalist is hardly eye candy, and she's no Barbara Walters either. She simply dispenses liberals politically infused happy pills that help reinforce her audiences distorted belief system.
     
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    Difference being she's neither a politician nor is she attempting to run your country into the ground. Nice try though.
     
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    We were well on our way prior to Trump. I think Trump's the bulldozer that we need to start over. If you look at it that way, it's a good thing, provided we survive the destructive pitfall.
     
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    Whilst I admire your confidence, I'm afraid I don't share your optimism. There's just too much stink surrounding Trump and his government for it to go away. The sheer amount of almost daily sleaze being exposed is unprecedented. It's almost like watching a mob trial.
     
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    Oh, I think Maddows is a politician, and she is intentionally trying to run down this country. MSM is the unofficial, but none the less, defacto Democratic bureau of propaganda. Whether it's Stephanopoulos, Brazil, Sharpton, Cuomo, or Maddows, the facts are the same. Staunch Democrats, ties to Democratic admins., campaigns, and PACs. MSM has negatively impacter our international reputation, and national image ... for ratings ... for spite. They undermine our security, and our confidence while sowing divisions, and resentments. Liberals lap it up like thirsty dogs.
     
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    On the contrary the MSM is doing a grand job in reporting the sleaze oozing from Trump and his cabinet. I can understand, though, that you would prefer it were hidden. So would I.
    It is Trump who has managed to flush your reputation down the crapper, and he has done it with no help from the media. His failed policies, his crass behaviour, his appalling character; all contribute to him being viewed as a complete dunce on the world stage.
    Honestly, watching the daily scandals emerge is like watching a mob trial unfolding. This is more fun to watch than Watergate was.
     
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    Yes, it's painfully obvious you're a parched member of Maddows pack. I'll point out that Trumps term isn't up until 2020.
     
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    Indeed, and imagine how much damage he can do to America in that time. If the last couple of months are anything to go by you're seriously screwed. My opinion? He won't last a term; he already looks physically exhausted, and the scandals surrounding him are digging his political grave, slowly but surely.
     
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    Your advocacy that obl be left alive is disgusting
     
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    Get over it dude a colored was in the White House
     
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    He was colored? I thought he was Muslim.
     
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    I bet you did...Happens when you listen to conservative media.
     
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    He did have the ability tell people what they wanted to hear and constantly talked against America.
     
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    there ya go thinkin again
     
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    Trump told what his supporters wanted to hear...and most of the time, without the intention of actually doing it, but his supporters are too stupid to find out.

    He also constantly tries his best to harm America by

    Destroying our relationship with Europe
    Destroying healthcare of American people
    Destroying the environment of America
    Destroying protection for some minority

    The only people who like him or even respect him, are people who voted for him, which is less than half of the voters.

    Did you know more Germans went to see Obama's speech a few days ago, than Americans went to see trump's inauguration?
     
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    The majority of American's in 30 states voted for Trump and he almost took Minnesota and Maine too. America was almost all RED. A small handful of big cities do not get to decide who the president will be for the entire country. It does not and never has worked that way. The most states wins the EC and it's not fair for Los Angeles to have a bigger say then say 30 states that rejected Hillary. Hillary barely took the 20 states she received. Minnesota, Maine and Colorado could have easily been Trumps if he had campaign a little more in those states.

    If the EC is removed then candidates will only campaign for Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City etc and forget about the rest of America because all they care about is winning and with those three cities that is a lot of votes right there. If Trump is so bad then why was Hillary's lead so small? Truth is Hillary herself was so bad that the majority liked Trump better giving him 30 of the 50 states and the EC.

    He won 30 of the popular votes. Hillary only won 20 of them. It is said 10 million Democrats did not even vote. Hillary was that bad.
     
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    Trump took the swing states, barely lost Colorado and turned Minnesota and Maine into swing states when they were never supposed to be in play. Hillary barely kept both states.

    In some swing states like Florida there was a voter registration increase for Republicans. Trump had more then 60 million votes which is far more than half of the total number of votes. Do you have any evidence to back your claim or is it another lie?
     
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    All of your points are merely assumptions based on your hatred of him, none of it has occurred nor will it.
     
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    Quote: Trump told what his supporters wanted to hear...and most of the time, without the intention of actually doing it, but his supporters are too stupid to find out.

    He also constantly tries his best to harm America by

    Destroying our relationship with Europe
    Destroying healthcare of American people
    Destroying the environment of America
    Destroying protection for some minority

    The only people who like him or even respect him, are people who voted for him, which is less than half of the voters.

    Did you know more Germans went to see Obama's speech a few days ago, than Americans went to see trump's inauguration?

    Seems very accurate to me. Where exactly and why do you disagree ?
     
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    Not relevant to my post. Try reading it again.
     
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    Trump told Americans, including swing vote dems what they wanted to hear-and they had good reason to want to hear it.

    Dems ignored them and other Americans.

    Trump was the victor.
     

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