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  1. edthecynic

    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Again the already posted TIMELINE exposed that claim as complete hogwash. As you already knew CANADIAN Giustra made that donation in 2006 and sold all his holdings in UrAsia to Uranium One in 2007. He never owned or had a stake in Uranium One so the sale to the Russians in 2010 could NOT profit him at all.
    All you are doing by parroting your Conservative sources is exposing them as liars that you are gullible enough to believe.
     
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    all we are saying is give.. a real investigation a chance.. all those cut-outs you mentioned are just that, to break the direct connection to the Clintons.. but a good deal of money from associates of the deal ended up with the Clintons.
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    There is NO direct or indirect connection to the Clintons, no matter how many times you click your heals and wish for it.
    This is the thing about Conservatives, no matter how thoroughly the facts contradict their conspiracy theories, there is always another conspiracy theory to explain why the facts contradict them allowing them to continue to believe what they want to believe.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...No, he's just an orange clown who tries to ape hitler and fawns mindlessly over putin, but he's too stupid and incompetent to be a useful sycophant and lapdog.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    What did The Mueller Report have to say about that?
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    What was Telfer's relationship with Russia/Putin? ;-)
     
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    Russia collusion buffs sure are good at ignoring obvious Russia collusion involving corrupt Democrat politicians. Why is that?

    “Undisclosed Donations

    Before Mrs. Clinton could assume her post as secretary of state, the White House demanded that she sign a memorandum of understanding placing limits on the activities of her husband’s foundation. To avoid the perception of conflicts of interest, beyond the ban on foreign government donations, the foundation was required to publicly disclose all contributors.

    To judge from those disclosures — which list the contributions in ranges rather than precise amounts — the only Uranium One official to give to the Clinton Foundation was Mr. Telfer, the chairman, and the amount was relatively small: no more than $250,000, and that was in 2007, before talk of a Rosatom deal began percolating.

    But a review of tax records in Canada, where Mr. Telfer has a family charity called the Fernwood Foundation, shows that he ***donated millions of dollars more***, during and after the critical time when the foreign investment committee was reviewing his deal with the Russians. With the Russians offering a special dividend, shareholders like Mr. Telfer stood to profit.”

    “Photo Uranium One’s Russian takeover was approved by the United States while Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state. Credit Doug Mills/The New York Times”
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal, By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire, APRIL 23, 2015. (*** mine)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

    Now add "millions of dollars more" and what's the new total? :)
     
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    You have already acknowledged that the scheme to sell uranium to Russia involved not just Giustra and The Clintons, but many other linked individuals and entities.
    Google: "money laundering".

    "Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation

    Frank Giustra
    $31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more
    He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.
    Ian Telfer
    $2.35 million
    Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.
    Paul Reynolds
    $1 million to $5 million
    Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.
    Frank Holmes
    $250,000 to $500,000
    Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.
    Neil Woodyer
    $50,000 to $100,000
    Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.
    GMP Securities Ltd.
    Donating portion of profits
    Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One."
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal, By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire, APRIL 23, 2015
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

    Why pretend that you do not read The New York Times? ;-)
     
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    Look it up yourself. Why are Conservatives too lazy to research anything for themselves.
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    He's CANADIAN.
     
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    Still $500,000 and nobody knows it better than you. Clinton's STANDARD speaking fee.
    Again your only source is the totally discredited Clinton Cash.
     
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    Because, as you well know, it is FAKE NEWS!
     
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    Well, there you go again! That money was donated and pledged in 2006. And Uranium One BOUGHT Giustra's UrAsia company outright in 2007, Giustra had no involvement with Uranium One, it was not a "merger" which implies co-control, but you knew that already.

    Disproving that first claim from the totally discredited Clinton Cash books, discredits all the others so I will not waste any more time on them.

    Trust not him that hath once broken faith; he who betrayed thee once, will betray thee again.
    - Shakespeare.
     
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    This was the question: What was Telfer's relationship with Russia/Putin? ;-)

    Why didn't you answer it?
     
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    So, your position is that THE NEW YORK TIMES = "FAKE NEWS!"
    Keep that up and Democrats will write you off as a Trump donor. :)
     
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    Why pretend to ignore the obvious. In fact, Giustra, The Clintons and their pals were all up to their eyeballs in the uranium for Russia business at least as early as 2005. That project did not end until Russia got the American uranium. Hundreds of millions of dollars changed hands - much of that into the coffers of the Clintons and their corrupt crony capitalists.

    ““Should we be concerned? Absolutely,” said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. “Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don’t. We don’t want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate.”

    A Seat at the Table

    The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

    The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra’s private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev’s bid to head an international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, his wife, then a senator.”
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal, By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire, APRIL 23, 2015
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
     
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    Did you read the citation? The source is The New York Times.
    The NYT confirmed and expanded on Peter Schweizer's research in Clinton Cash.
    Why deny the obvious?
     
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    Trump supporters are the best.
     
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    I did answer it. He is a UK born CANADIAN, not a Russian, no matter how many times you try to imply he's a Russian he is STILL a Canadian.
     
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    No, as I have said repeatedly, the book Clinton Cash is proven to be FAKE NEWS.
    Unlike Conservative media, the NY Times allows opposing voices to contribute articles.
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Now you just made that crap up out of thin air.
    But thank you for subconsciously admitting the timeline of the 2006 Giustra donation unassailably rebuts your Clinton Cash crap so thoroughly that you have to invent your own FAKE timeline to begin in 2005 even though the Russians didn't even start to acquire a stake in Uranium One until 2007 AFTER Uranium One had already acquired UrAsia and didn't have 51% control until 2010.
     
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    No, I pasted it up from a source with a strong bias in favor of The Clintons. Read again and think it through.

    ““Should we be concerned? Absolutely,” said Michael McFaul, who served under Mrs. Clinton as the American ambassador to Russia but said he had been unaware of the Uranium One deal until asked about it. “Do we want Putin to have a monopoly on this? Of course we don’t. We don’t want to be dependent on Putin for anything in this climate.”

    A Seat at the Table

    The path to a Russian acquisition of American uranium deposits began in 2005 in Kazakhstan, where the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra orchestrated his first big uranium deal, with Mr. Clinton at his side.

    The two men had flown aboard Mr. Giustra’s private jet to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where they dined with the authoritarian president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev. Mr. Clinton handed the Kazakh president a propaganda coup when he expressed support for Mr. Nazarbayev’s bid to head an international elections monitoring group, undercutting American foreign policy and criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, his wife, then a senator.”
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal, By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire, APRIL 23, 2015
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
     
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    The source is Clinton Cash, the Times allowed Conservatives to review a PREVIEW of the book before it was released and discredited immediately after the full book's release.
    What is obvious is you forget that the Times allows Conservative to publish their crapola.
     
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    Again your own citation admits Giustra is a CANADIAN, not a Russian. Russia had nothing to do with Giustra's uranium deal.
    So the path to CANADIAN acquisition of uranium deposits began in 2005, and FYI, Kazakhstan is NOT part of the USA, so any Canadian acquisition of Kazakhstan uranium did not net Russia any American uranium.
    But you knew that already.
     
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    Why tell a Big Whopper like that when the NYT article I cited debunks it directly?

    “At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company’s assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.

    ***The New York Times’s examination*** of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and securities filings in Canada, Russiaand the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book “Clinton Cash.” Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own reporting.”THE NEW YORK TIMES, Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal, By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire, APRIL 23, 2015. (*** mine)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

    Read carefully now: "The New York Times’s examination of the Uranium One deal" - get it?
     

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