Trump supporters threaten to murder Dolphins player who criticized pro-Trump owner

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is obviously fake news.
    trump supporters are peaceful and welcoming people, good Christian folk.
    Totally not violent in any way.
     
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    The left makes death threats against a little girl known as the fake AOC

    As usual libs can dish it out but they cant take it
     
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    Maybe you can call on Jesus to referee.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell that to Kenny Stills, so he can come out of hiding.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bu..bu..bu..but the 'libs'.....
     
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    Libs are no better than anyone else

    You guys can dish it out but you cant take it
     
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    I am not a 'lib', so your claim makes no sense, but your earlier comment was a classic dodge.
     
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    the ever violent and intolerant right wing
     
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    You are not an un-conservative?

    My bad

    Based on your posts I took you for either a liberal, a libertarian or a libertine
     
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    Do you want me to hold Stills hand?

    I would rather help protrct the adorablr fake AOC

    Stills is an adult

    Fake AOC is just a child
     
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    Not un-conservative = conservative.

    I am independent. According to the 'political compass' I am right leaning libertarian.

    So, I lean right on most issues, but I must add that I think the Republican party is a bunch of raving hypocrites who spend more other peoples money than anyone while complaining about people spending money.
     
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    As a die-hard Dolphins fan, I want him to score as many TDs as possible.

    I hope they catch those Trump supporters who threaten to murder him.
     
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    Its is sad. The good news is that the MAGA Bomber was sentenced to a lengthy prison sentence, and the Trumbonite from El Paso will probably get the death penalty.
     
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    America is a nation of more than 300 million people.
    Among those 300 million, there are almost certainly going to be a few dozen sickos. I don't know the distribution of craziness between Left and Right, but I'm quite willing to be believe the Right have the greater share. Say it's a thousand people who would send these death threats. (I don't know how many Mr Stills received, and, of course, I'm assuming he's not another Jussie Smollet.) But let's say a thousand.

    There were 63,000,000 people who voted for Mr Trump. That makes the death-threat-senders 1 out of 63,000. 0.0015873 % of Trump Supporters. (Since 1000 is probably a very generous over-estimate, we can probably stick another zero or two to the right of the decimal place. He himself said it was a 'handful'.

    Now ... why would the OP make the headline, Trump supporters threaten to murder Dolphins player who criticized pro-Trump owner.

    Shouldn't it have been, 'handful of nutters who probably voted for Trump threaten to murder Dolphins player who criticized pro-Trump owner , and 63 000 000 Trump supporters don't threaten to murder him'?

    Whenever an illegal alien murders an American, don't we hear the cry, "He's not representative of the others!" (Which is no doubt true.) Why do standards suddenly change?

    When the Weathermen and Black Guerilla Family and similar groups were murdering policemen and FBI agents, bombing cafes, blowing up university labs and killing researchers ... would it have been correct to headline, "Opponents of racism and the Vietnam War kill and destroy!"?

     
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    The dems are better?

    You cant very conservative and believe that
     
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    +1 for objectivity, but as for the distribution of crazy across the political spectrum I have to strongly disagree, though that's an entirely different thread.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You said it, not me. I didn't say anything about dems.
     
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    As a football fan I dont want to see liberal weenies who flaunt their politics have any success at all

    Did he take a knee two years ago?
     
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    Yes, he is a kneeler. I don't like that, but dont really care since they pre-game activities are not even televised.

    He is an elite WR, and that's all that matters to me.
     
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    Normally bleeding heart libs are against the death penalty

    But even lefties are capable of the random lucid moment
     
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    It was a question that you avoided answering
     
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    In that case my policy is Take a knee, break a knee

    Then we’ll all have something to cheer about
     
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    The problem is, 'crazy' is too ambiguous a term.
    In one sense, it's used to mean someone with political views that are way out of line with the mainstream, as in 'You want a society where taxes are voluntary? That's completely crazy!"

    In another, it's used to mean someone whose apprehension of reality is seriously distorted: they hear voices, believe their mother wants to kill them, believe they are being inhabited by aliens, etc.

    But the problem is, there are some political viewpoints where these two definitions appear to overlap: people with these views are often called 'conspiracy theorists'. I don't like to use the word 'crazy' or 'insane' for any political or quasi-political view, if it's held by someone who otherwise appears to be 'sane'. Not to mention that sometimes ostensibly paranoid views -- "they're watching me" -- are true. An acquaintance of mine in San Antonio, the only open member of the Communist Party in the 50s in Texas, once had a personal letter delivered to him. On the back of which someone had mistakenly stamped "Recorded by Air Force Intelligence" (or something like that). (Why the Air Force? Or it may have been an office located on the nearby Air Force base.)

    A couple of weeks ago I followed up some links for the people who believe the moon landing was faked. Now you might think these people would obviously be raving lunatics, flat-earthers, obvious nutjobs. Not a bit of it. If you put me up to debate their best people, I would be destroyed. Check them out if you don't believe me. I've had a similar experience following up 9/11 Truther websites.

    I also object to using words like 'crazy' 'insane' etc. because they are often used as an attempt to shut down debate -- a kind of ad hominem attack, playing to everyone's desire to be considered normal, reasonable, etc. Intellectual bullying. Whether or not the people who 'deny' Global Warming are right or wrong, I really object to dismissing them as 'nutjobs', for example, especially if the person using that term has no grasp of the basic science and mathematics behind the dispute, when some of the deniers are well-qualified scientists. (I'm not a denier, by the way.)

    About 55 years ago, Richard Hofstadter, a liberal political scientist, wrote a book called The Paranoid Style in American Politics. (The link is to a condensed version of it that appeared in Harper's Magazine.) [He finds that paranoid politics in America can be traced back to before the Civil War.]

    At the time, an organization called 'The John Birch Society' had had a big impact in American politics. They were a conservative organization, organized on what they believed to be the model of the Communist Party (clandestine cells), whose founder stongly suggested that President Eisenhower was deliberately carrying out the policy of the Communist Party. William Buckley 'excommunicated' them from the conservative movement, but they're still around. I ran into one at a Tea Party weekend educational a few years ago. He gave the lectures on the Constitution -- I don't think anyone else knew he was a Bircher, but I was able to ask him a couple of questions which showed that he was. I have also run into them in other situations in the US. They're sort of 'Old Right' -- not happy about overseas interventions -- but not obviously crazy, although prone to crank beliefs, like quack cures for cancer. I don't know what they think about Eisenhower now. They seem pretty harmless to me.

    Anyway, I would make a distinction between people who are so unhinged that they will engage in more or less spontaneous, impulsive murder, and those who will not. I would call the first group 'crazy', regardless of their political views. I would not call 'crazy' those who seek to advance their views by calculated planned violence, including murder -- for example the Weathermen, or the NeoNazis and Klan.

    What the actual distribution of these two types of violent-prone people -- the genuinely clinically crazy, and the calculating terrorists -- is, on the Left and Right, I don't know. I suspect but cannot prove that for the last three decades, the Right has had more calculating terrorists, and the Left had more for the previous two decades.

    Not that it makes a lot of difference.
     
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    Ambiguous indeed. I'll try not to drift the thread, but just a couple quick ideas.

    Where distribution of "crazy" is concerned, I'm thinking of conservatives/progressives in a broad sense and which respective group probably has higher percentages of legitimate psychological conditions, substance abuse issues, and interpersonal problems... broken families, out of wedlock children, single mother households.

    Then I look at the support of things like "man" and "women" being a mere social construct. Supporting the idea that there are infinite genders. Supporting biological men competing with women because the man is dysphoric. And of course then insisting that others comply with all this or else. There's the obsession with identity politics, intersectionality, oikophobic self loathing ethno-masochism. Insisting that only whites can be racist. The obsession with diversity on the one hand, while insisting that race is a construct on the other. The never-ending criticism of Western society while enjoying the fruits thereof. Third wave feminism. Trigger warnings, safe spaces... microagressions. The catastrophic-esqe reaction to Trump's election.The violence against his supporters. Antifa. Violent protests at colleges because a conservative is coming to speak. The recent support of what's essentially infanticide. The toying with pedophilia as a sexual orientation. Creeping socialism in spite of it's repeated failures. Opposition to strong border control, deportation of violators, and national identity.

    Sorry, that's a ramble. Just some thoughts, but again don't want to get off topic.
     

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