Trump tells Treasury to review universities' tax exempt status

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  1. WillReadmore

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    Trump tweets and an article in The Hill today report Trump is directing an examination of the tax exempt status of universities and other educational institutions that he claims aren't promoting his right wing views.

    This comes at a time when he's calling for schools to open without consideration for COVID19 and recommendations by CDC. He's demanded that CDC modify it's position on opening schools. And, he's threatened the funding of school that don't ignore the CDC guidelines or have other reasons for not being able to comply - such as inadequate resources to ensure safety.

    And, he's applying pressure by directing that if a college or university moves to do remote education, then all of its foreign students must leave the USA.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...sury-to-review-universities-tax-exempt-status

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...id-19-school-reopening-guidelines/5405407002/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/us/student-visas-coronavirus.html


    This is happening against the backdrop of an administration that is doing NOTHING to work toward a reduction of COVID19 in America - at a time when outhers such as Europe have shown it to be possible to do hugely better than we are doing today. In fact, the progress in Europe is allowing THEM to open their economy.

    Our president is supposed to protect America. But, what we're seeing is a blatant disregard - a disregard that is now actually TARGETTING our children and our education.
     
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    The Election can't come soon enough.

    America needs to get rid of this Raging IMBECILE.

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    The anti-science direction of Trump has America sucking Europe's fumes on this one.

    They (and our states of NY, NJ and a few others) have actually used science to reduce their COVID19 problem to the point where opening their economy makes sense.

    WE on the other hand, continue to be the hot spot of the world - as if we were a 3rd world country.

    In fact, the whole idea of trying to blame CDC or OSHA or universities is just plain STUPID.. Methods of defending against COVID have been tried. We KNOW which ones work, because the methods have been tried in the real world.

    Yet Trump continues to pump his happy talk while refusing to take ANY action to defend America.
     
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    I just want the world to stop so I can get off!

    Tired of the Crazy Years. That has been going on for forty years.
     
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    Trump has been watching a lot of TV lately. That shouldn't surprise anyone.
    And it should be no surprise that he does like his dictatorial soap-opera's.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53336191
    Hong Kong pupils banned from political activity

    After learning about China's oppression in Hong Kong Trumps dictatorial mind went into overdrive, thinking; I must be equally harsh against US students.
    So he fires of a few tweets that make him sound like The Great Leader.

    Don't forget, Trump is still very upset about his US Supreme Court setback.
    This is his angry response. There is no other political motive involved.

    We could have guessed.
     
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    That dang science gets in the way of everything, especially that stupid science that says life starts at conception, or the science of gender, stupid asses. Or the hundreds of scientists that question global warming, the idiots. Those scientists are too stupid to know if you just change the name to Climate Change you cover every base possible. Oh science, save us, for example we all know there are over 900 genders, right?
     
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    I think science said the H1N1 was just as bad as the corona but we didn't shut down. Go Trump
     
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    Each of those assumptions is not at all accurate.
     
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    The US was alerted to this and employers took measures.

    What the US got was nothing even remotely similar to what we see today.

    I have NO idea what you mean by "science" saying what you claim.
     
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    Um right, I think I am a little bit more concerned about the medical community collectively telling blacks that mass protests were far more important than the Covid pandemic. We pay the medical community billions of dollars to keep us safe and this is the advice they give us AND CONTINUE TO GIVE US. Next they tell us that drinking arsenic kills cancer.
     
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    Cite where the "medical community collectively" said that.

    The bottom line is that Trump is promoting contact with no control, and is using his power to counter medical science to promote that message.

    And, he's doubling down in the face of what he has helped promote in FL, TX and AZ.

    There is nothing that Trump is doing today that has ANYTHING to do with resisting COVID19. And, the result is that we're failing compared to what others are doing.

    China and Europe are opening their economies safely, while our process (which includes denying all science input into planning) is failing.
     
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    See below:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

    To be clear, the medical community supported the riots that directly took the lives of dozens of black people (including children), that destabilized multiple cities resulting in the deaths of 100s of more blacks, that destroyed millions of dollars of black owned private property, that destroyed the jobs of hundreds of blacks, that destroyed multiple low income housing complexes meant for poor blacks, that increased the spread of Covid in the black community, that will drive capital and investments out of black communities etc...

    The medical community has disgraced itself and ruined their own reputation.
     
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    It's no coincidence the 2 worst Nations on the globe in handling the Coronavirus pandemic are lead by far right wing, anti-science Presidents.
     
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    Trump knows he's going to lose the election. He's trying to burn everything down before he leaves next January.
     
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    "A group of medical colleagues".

    That is NOT what you claimed. You claimed: "the medical community collectively" Then, you made an accusation concerning the medical community collectively.

    That article made it pretty dang clear that the signees were local here in Seattle and do NOT represent the CDC, OSHA, WHO, or any other significant healthcare related body.

    Pictuures also show that those protesting include a significant percent wearing masks - which is more than you can say for Trump's rallies in FL, OK, AZ, etc.

    YOURS is a gross misrepresentation.

    Are you going to appologize for your purposeful misrepresentation?
     
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    Trump is for school choice. Why are the Dems opposed to leveling the playing field of schools? Are the Dems protecting rich private schools from letting in poor people because the Dems are really the ones who are racist/classist?
     
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    That may well include the Republican party at this rate.
     
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    No, he's not interested in ANY education for anyone. All it does is cause people to disagree with him on the grounds of reality.

    Dems don't own schools. Let's be real here. And, what Dems want is a quality education for all. It's this administration that pushes for high priced private schools that are not accessible to the general public due to price.

    Here in Seattle, private not for profit middle school tuition is around $35K perstudent year and higher for high school. One can expect fees for sports, labs, computers of a specific specification, etc.

    A family with 2 kids wanting 6 years of middle and high school is, well, you do the math: 2 kids X 6 years X $35K.

    No federal or state tuition reimbursement plan is going to cause a middle income family to take on move the $400K in education expense before the kids even face college. Voters are simply not going to do that.

    America is served best by ensuring that we have high quality education that is accessible to every single kid in America.

    It's especially important that it is available to low income and minority kids, as education is the only solution to slowing the income divide that is leaving so much of America behind.

    Anyway, private school may look accessible for grade school, but once the kids hit middle school, private school costs skyrocket. And, taxpayers are not going to subsidize inner city minority kids who are just as smart as any other kids, but don't have parents with that kind of cash.
     
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    Googled 'Seattle private school tuition':
    https://www.seattleschild.com/dont-think-you-can-afford-private-school/#:~:text=Average tuition at independent schools,in grades nine through 12.

    ETA:
    Average private school tuition nationally is between 9-11k, depending on grade level, meaning vouchers WOULD help.
    https://www.privateschoolreview.com/tuition-stats/private-school-cost-by-state

    That is the average, which means there are private schools much lower as well as some that are much higher. So, your numbers are way off, and vouchers COULD help families who want to send their child to a better school. But the democrats are inexplicably fighting against this opportunity for less privileged children. Don't bother trying to explain it because you can't, no one can.

    Again, Trump is for giving children opportunity. The Democrats are against it. Why? Are they protecting private schools who don't want to let in children from lower socioeconomic areas? It is a plausible explanation.

    My own story is that I make around 50k annually with 2 little children. There are schools here that are within my range but I would have to sacrifice things like going to the beach or throwing big birthday parties. With school vouchers, I could afford to send my two daughters to a private school. Too bad the Democrats don't want them there.
     
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    In the information age, ignorance is a choice. It's best if one avoids talking about things one does not understand.
     
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    Government by trope gets exhausting after a while.

    Just ask a DACA recipient.
     
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    There are several problems with your post wrt cost analysis. And, first I'm totally ignoring k-6. The concerns about k-6 just aren't the same.

    The importance of "average" in WA in school costs is quite nonsesical. There are the metro areas where the largest percent of the population is. Then there are the vast regions where few live. The cost of living in these differen areas is hugely different. And, people living in metro areas aren't going to move to the areas east of the mountains or on the southern WA coast in order to find good cheap education for all the reasons that America's population is become more urban - jobs, standard of living, culture, etc.

    Another issue is that In Seattle, there are schools that are directly subsidized by religious organizations. Tuition at those schools is a fraction of what it is for the schools not directly subsidized like that - skewing "average".

    The next problem is that federal subsidies would need to cause the creation of more capacity. Schools in Seattle already have long wait lists AT THE PRICES I STATED. And, that is way more true for the lower cost schools that are subsidized by religious institutions (usually churches).

    The point here is that I see NO evidence that bringing more customers (parents willing to buy) is going to cause more capacity to be created. ALL our private high schools and middle schools are not for profit. And, those interested in profitting from education are not entering the market.

    So:;
    - a state "average" is a total fiction due to urban/rural divide.
    - most attempts at city "average" don't tell an honest story due to the presence of highly subsidized intitutions
    - "average" doesn't leave out those low cost schools that deliver pathetic education. Several of our top rated higheschools have a religious connection, so this is not an issue of religion - its a issue of education.

    - and for the most important: ALL these shools have major wait lists. Demand outstrips supply by a LOT. To be meaningful, subsidies for kids to get into private school CAN NOT be successful if they dont' cause the creation of more schools. And, that is NOT happening. All of our private schools are not for profit. No profit oriented school has been opened at the prices we have today - prices I listed. Churches are not moving to open more schools.

    This last one is really the most telling, as it signals that more tax dollars can be handed to people who can almost afford private schools. But, there is no indication that it is going to cause additional capacity for them to take advantate of. They will just be more people on the wait lists.

    Also, regardless of any dreams of what the subsidy might be, the majority of Americans today can't even pay TAXES. And, THAT is really the crime here.

    We aren't going to solve that problem by using solutions that just plain don't apply to the majority of Americans - the majority of most concern.

    Let's also remember that we have less than 5% of the brains of the world. Yet WE want to compete in the modern emerging economy that more and more requires education BEYOND high school. We need ALL of our 5% fully competing. We can't afford to dump the 50% who can't pay taxes and write them off as more people we must support. It's just not going to work that way. No other of our competitors is dumping 50% of THEIR brains.
     
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    Some would say he is protecting America from a dangerous and anti-American educational sector.
     
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    It just never ends with this feckless wonder, does it? What a waste of time. This is going absolutely nowhere.
     
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    Yes, when we reject the fascism being generated throughout our educational systems we will be accused of being "anti-intellectual" by the Fascists.

    THAT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHUT UP: Barack Obama Threatened to Defund Schools, and Democrats Were All For It.

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    Obama/Biden, possibly the most corrupt team to ever hold the office.​

    Democrats didn’t have any objection the last time a president threatened to withhold federal funding from schools four years ago.
    The Fake News New York Times noted that the Obama administration directive contains a threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could lose federal aid.

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