Trump! The Destroyer of Worlds.

The United States created the world order that evolved from our victory and enlightened management of subsequent world events. Trump would have vigorously opposed the Marshall Plan and MacArthur's inspired administration of Japan, linchpins of United States hegemony and power. Communism is dead and the Eastern Block countries are free and prosperous. This is what winning looks like.

Trump's most senior advisers have explained all this to him and he understood none of it. Instead, he is determined to unravel seventy years of American leadership and sacrifice of treasure and blood. All this in a destructive, ill advised plan to make "America First." America is the sole superpower and is already first among equals. Trump's unnatural instinct to bully and attack is a strategic path to "America Alone."

Trump's unilateral attack on NATO to impress his base was the thoughtless act of someone ignorant of history and America's place in the world. NATO invoked Article Five (an attack on on is an attack on all) only once in its history - after 911. NATO nations have served with America's military on Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and countless other engagements. There are only two entities that applaud Trump's destructive behavior to our alliances; Putin and Trump's uninformed base of believers.

One cannot begin to imagine Trump's motivation behind all this. Is it born of ignorance or a deliberate attempt to isolate America from a world largely of our creation? Or is it something more nefarious? This will not turn out well for us. Cracks are already beginning to show in our foundation.

 

Well to me, it looks like trump is carrying out his words, spoken over decades in regards to gov't policy. And he has hardly changed his beliefs. I say good for him, for at least he has beliefs and principles. Some may not agree with them, but so what? And even if some dems did, they of course in their dishonesty would never admit it. That might get them shunned and attacked in social media, by the jackals.

So, just another observation by a non trump voter. An ex democrat, once clinton helped to destroy the party of JFK. Still pissed over that? Yep. And cannot forget it. And will not ever forget it. Destroying my party, and then having it hijacked by the upper middle professional class, and the upper class is untenable, just as the modern democrat who voted for hillary. I cannot stand what these guys stand for. A nefarious snooty nosed elitism that would have both FDR and JFK rolling over in their graves, due to the outright treason on working americans. Our democrats here obviously are not working americans. Unless they voted for sanders, of course. But if they turned around and voted for hillary, IMO, they are very confused people.

 

What's wrong with wanting NATO countries to pay the share of cost they agreed to pay? How is that destroying worlds?

 

From my point of view, Bush destroyed the world order. It break a lot of confidence some countries could have in the USA, and war in Iraq is seen in a lot of country as the example of an unfair war caused by some greedy corporate.

Anyway, it's not simply the USA who are changing, the world is changing, China is developping a lot, the EU is going through heavy crisis .

About eastern country block free and prosperous, I think you should look twice. It's true that Poland and Hungary developped a lot, but countries like Bielorussia, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria are still dirty poor.

I don't think Trump is a that bad thing. He is a politician, considering that, I can't trust him. However, I think peace with NK seems rather a good thing, people have to stay cautious but for instance, it's good.
If Trump end this mandate without starting a war, for sure, it will be a huge credite for him considering all the mess Bush/Obama caused.

For sure, Trump lack a lot of distinction, and he can be very confusing, but in a way, I trust him more than some other people, because when I see Trump, you know that he is a complicated man, people like Obama or Clinton however are much better manipulator, they know to look sweet, they know how to look correct and polished, but their behaviour isn't that much polished.

 

Hint, it is no longer 1945.

 

What a crock. This thread is little more than flame bait.

 

OP translates into "Trump's insistence that NATO countries pay their fair share is bad for statist collectivists everywhere, so I'm going to fabricate some nonsensical hyperbolic end of the world flummery and see if it fools anyone."

 

Are you going to debate my opinions and facts or just blabber a bunch of what amounts to worthless religion?

 

Other NATO countries need to pay their share. I appreciate all NATO has done for us, but after a while that debt has been paid in full. The dumbest thing I have heard in a long time is this gas pipe line from Russia to Germany. One cold winter and Germany will be willing to do whatever Russia wants.

 

Debate your opinions and facts? Sounds like a waste of time. Your mind is already made up that you are right.

 

Am I going to attempt an adult debate in a thread entitled "Trump! The Destroyer of Worlds?" No, I am not, instead I am going to deride it as the childish excess that it plainly is.

Moreover, what "facts" are you talking about? That Trump has "attacked" NATO? That's a bald-faced lie not a fact. Negotiating for favorable position for one's country is simple diplomacy, not the end of the free world. It's done every day by diplomats and statesmen the world over, and if it were being done by anyone other than Trump in this very same way asking for these very same things, you and yours wouldn't even KNOW about it, let alone create paranoid fantasies about "destroyers of worlds."

 

Your post does embody what is wrong with America, I'd say. Total disdain for rationality in favor of some kind of feel-good, you get em attitude. What matters is what works in policy. This needs to be grounded in evidence. Having no beliefs is INFINITELY better than being an idiot with conviction. Neither party has really been for the working class, though the democrats are better for their interests, it's just the republicans have been able to lasso them over to their side with bigotry and a misunderstanding of globalism and trade. Enjoy the trickle down crumbs and avoidable damage to the economy.

 

So far the trickle down crumbs amounts to over $2000 per year for me. Love those crumbs.

 

Trump didn't attack NATO? Have you been watching the news? Even much of the GOP was shocked at Trump's blatant attack on NATO. Diplomacy? Diplomacy isn't begin in the open with a frontal attack. That may work in the seedy world of NY real estate deals, but Trump is in the big leagues now. Countries don't respond to bullies. We all learned that one after WWII. I stand by my post.

 

Neither party has really been for the working class

I agree, I think we now have a third party. What shall we call it?

 

But but but Bush was behind creating the "New World Order."

Bush was one of the original members of the Trilateral Commission where the oligarchy would be in charge of the New World Order.

Who do you think was behind globalization ???

 

Past presidents have complained about the failure of other NATO countries to pay their fair share. You can see how well their diplomacy worked in the past. We just kept on paying and paying. But, we were diplomatic.

 

Long, long ago the Democrats were the working man's party. They have totally lost their way placating minorities and liberals in the far left and very wealthy trial lawyers and nuts from Hollywood. Trump appealed to the angry "working man" while Hillary spit on him. Guess who won. He loves his Base, but his policies will kill them.

 

It's funny to see libs clinging to the old world order. I thought progressives hated the past and they were all about the future.

Libs thought NATO was a big waste of money during the Cold War. Now they're NATO's biggest fans.

 

Great post! This just about sums it up. Trump keeps repeating that we protect them, and that they have more to lose than we have. And yet, looking back in hisotry, it has been the other way around. We have needed them more than they have needed us. And the only thing they ask in return is our presence and leadership. Assurance that we have their backs. The one thing that Trump is incapable of providing to anybody.

 

I don't know who it was that said that NATO was a waste of money, but the fact is that, after the Cold War, is when NATO has shown again and again that they do come through for us. So maybe that "lib" you speak of changed his or her mind when they saw reality before them. Libs do tend to do that often. While to trumpists now see nothing but the halo of their cult leader.

 

Well the war hawks love NATO.

 

As do non-hawks who would prefer to have NATO guarding our backs when Republicans get us into neverending wars.

 

NATO was formed the bring peace to the North Atlantic, not bring war all over the world.

 

Bush was "formed" to bring wars all over the world. NATO was formed to help us win them (or not lose them to badly when they were unwinnable). Trump was formed to make sure we lose them.... even the ones we haven't even started yet....