Trump Threatens Canada ‘Ruination’ on Autos Amid Nafta Talks

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-07/trump-threatens-canada-s-ruination-on-autos-amid-nafta-talks

    What kind of leader threatens an ally this way? Is Trump trying to turn Canadians against us?

    We may hurt them (they won't be 'ruined') in the short-term because they're so integrated with our economy, but they can trade preferred access to their natural resources--preferred access we enjoy now--to get advantageous trade agreements.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Too late.

    I went from being a Trump fan, to being meh about him, to saying wtf, to plainly considering him a ****ing moron now. I already stopped buying US produces, fruits and other food stuff and will pass on Walmart and other US owned business from now on. I'm and will be driving european, japanese or korean cars. I'm also not the only one doing this.
     
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    It's called negotiating. Like Mexico Canada will come around if they want to continue with NAFTA.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not at any cost. A deal is when to parties agrees on something. What Trump is doing is called an ultimatum.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you may be able to do that when you are selling second hand cars but when you are dealing with people you hope to be able to rely on, you hope will be there when the going gets tough, nae chance.
     
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    Three of Canadas auto assembly plants are AMERICAN companies!!!
     
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    I don't understand how any US citizen is against Trump on this.
     
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    Who cares, the profits they make there don't get taxed here and the employees are not US citizens.
     
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    bullshit. that ain't negotiating that is bullying brute force idiocy.

    Apparently Dear Leader trump is completely unaware of the integrated automotive manufacturing industry that currently exists. I guess in real estate he didn't have to comprehend something called supply chain management.

    If he does carry out his idiotic threat, it won't take long before american taxpayers start feeling the pain as well.

    Inflation has already eaten up wage gains, and healthcare cost increase more than ate up the average tax break.
    Employment is booming and the stock market has been artificially supported by 5 or 600 billion in stock buybacks so far this year.

    Oh yeah, brilliant businessman and negotiator trump that he is, hasn't brought home a single major deal. Lots of claims of deals, but nothing of substance to show so far. Not that trumpettes would realize this small fact amidst all that winning.
     
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    Maybe we should go back to the constitutional way of doing things and let Congress handle tariffs. Nah, constitutionality is crazy talk in Trumpland.
     
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    Maybe some of us actually care about free market principles and fiscal conservativism and the limitations of power set by the Constitution? Dunno. Just a thought.
     
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    I have no sympathy for any "nation" (if you can even call Canada that) which elects Trudeau.

    That said, trade wars hurt everyone. Protectionist tariffs are bad.
     
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    Trudeau is a shadow of his father but he's still light years ahead of trump on the character scale.

    As to your indecision on whether Canada is a nation or not, I am not surprised at your stereotypical "ugly american" conundrum.
    Your world sure is full o' stumpers, eh?
     
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    If Canadians want to pay exorbitant prices for dairy products, and elect a boy Prime Minister, then they only have themselves to blame. This would never have happened with Harper still in charge.
     
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    Nor should they be. He is working for the US just as the Canadian PM should be working for Canada. It's just that Justin, the Boy Wonder, is seriously outmatched.
     
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    Certainly, and that's where Canada has some serious problems. The dairy industry in Canada has been a family run racket for generations.

    Now Europe is discovering this as well. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ceta-cheese-trqs-1.4230138
     
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    They don't want our sympathy. From living in Canada part of the year (Oregon in the U.S.), I can tell you they're getting tired of hearing the Bloviator-in-Chief call them names.

    If we put tariffs on autos made in Canada, they'll slap tariffs on cars made in the U.S. and that will be the end of Ford, GM, and Chrysler in Canada. It will mean, too, that European and Asian cars made in the U.S. will end up coming to Canada from overseas--we'll be cut out there, too.

    Canadians are itching to vacate a lot of our extended drug patents and that will cost us of tens of billions of dollars. Precedent? They did it before the bilateral free trade agreement we had with them before NAFTA.

    We can't threaten to wreck an ally's country and expect them to cooperate with us.
     
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    Bad negotiation, if I can call it "negotiation". You don't take a drink and then piss in the well if you want to come back for another drink.
     
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    No, it is establishing consequences. The US and Canada was friends before Nafta and can be friends after Nafta is gone.
     
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    If Trump can get a better deal for American workers then personally I don't care how he negotiates with Canada.
     
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    We're already your biggest market, just like you're ours. We're already saturated by your products.
    At this point Trump isn't looking for a deal, he's looking for an unconditionnal surender. The Duce won't accept anything less than that.
     
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    Harper underestimated the guy and it cost him the last election and his political career. I don't care for Trudeau, but I don't dismiss him.
     
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    Canada won't knuckle under.
     
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    Trump isn't trying to get a better deal for our workers. You're not living in the real world. Adjusted for inflation, American workers' wages have dropped since Trump took office.

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    Not only that but healthcare costs keep rising because, like Obama, he won't go after the snouts in the healthcare trough. American doctors make twice as much as their European counterparts and we pay by far the highest prescription drug prices in the world.

    The top 1% (lowest income of $400k in the club) got 85% of the personal tax cuts. Trump could have given tax cuts five times higher to Joe American if he had held the line on the top 1%.

    Wake up, pal, Trump ain't your friend.
     
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    You don't get it. Canada won't be bullied because they know we need them more in the long-term than they need us. Estimates are the end of NAFTA will at most cut their growth rate to zero for a year or two.
     

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