Trump threatens Honduran caravan that’s moved into Guatemala

An overreaction compared to "I must save lives! and if that means opening my home to Hondurans, I WILL!" ?

 

Please explain the specific dangers Hondurans currently face (in Honduras), which you need to save them from. Thanks in advance.

 

Don't you know, alleged "refugees" in "horrible" conditions like Latin American "war zones" always do lots of things that make their lives harder, like having children, and more children and more children...

They also seem to like to do things no other parents on earth seem to do, like abandon those children in those alleged "war zones" when they sneak into the US to get a job/collect welfare.

Amazing how all those incredibly challenged people in the caravan have clean, unripped shirts, nice shoes, lots of kids and belongings - they must be the palestinians of the Western Hemisphere, they were clearly "suffering" in the "deprived" economic environment they are leaving.

 

Why does the far left need to bring in totally unrelated issues/topics when they or one of their pet causes is being shredded apart?

Should Seattle not fix a bridge because there is a pothole on a street somewhere? What a level of thinking you bring to the table here, thanks...

 

But then how would the welfare you are getting through the taxes we pay be covered if we lose our jobs? You might have to actually go out and seek employment for the first time in a very long time...

Perhaps you could take Dutch's apt suggestion and volunteer to help these people in their home countries, I'm sure they'd all benefit greatly from your vast expertise on economic matters.

Maybe you could also help teach them that the US is actually not the world's jobs' bank or welfare agency. Don't forget that english-to-spanish dictionary on your way out.

 

They are coming for your job you know.

 

Honduras is a violent country. I am not saying US needs to take them in with no questions asked, but if I had my family there, getting them out would be my first priority.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/honduras
'Rampant crime and impunity for human rights abuses remain the norm in Honduras. Despite a downward trend in recent years, the murder rate is among the highest in the world.'

 

Sounds as though they successfully immigrated to Guatemala. Mission accomplished. Let them settle there since they are no longer in danger from the gang members in Honduras.

 

He's not an American.

 

When will the Great Wall Of The United States be built?

 

You should know, as a matter of fact everyone here should know why people are fleeing countries like El Salvador, Guatamela and Honduras. If you did, you might be able to understand why they're taking this risk. Yes it's a huge risk for all of them fleeing.

There's exorbitant homicide rates, crippling corruption, increasing political persecution, and a floundering economy. Political unrest is always there, people fear violence from both the military and from gangs. And when they cross through Mexico, there's a lot of crime there and criminal organizations. There's human trafficking, there's rapes and murders. They have to immigrate because they don't see any other option.

Here's something most people don't understand why their governments are so corrupt. It's because we, the United States, corrupted them. An entire century of U.S. intervention created this crisis. Those seeking asylum today inherited a series of crises that drove them to the border. Since Theodore Roosevelt in 1904 declared the U.S.’s right to exercise an “international police power” in Latin America, the U.S. has cut deep wounds throughout the region, leaving scars that will last for generations to come. And this is the result of that 'police power' of the U.S. In general, the U.S. takes no responsibility for the conditions that drive Central American migrants to the border.U.S. empire thrives on amnesia. The entire Trump administration can't remember what it said last week, let alone the actions of presidential administrations long gone that sowed the seeds of today’s immigration crisis.

 

You should know, as a matter of fact everyone here should know why people are fleeing countries like El Salvador, Guatamela and Honduras. If you did, you might be able to understand why they're taking this risk. Yes it's a huge risk for all of them fleeing.

There's exorbitant homicide rates, crippling corruption, increasing political persecution, and a floundering economy. Political unrest is always there, people fear violence from both the military and from gangs. And when they cross through Mexico, there's a lot of crime there and criminal organizations. There's human trafficking, there's rapes and murders. They have to immigrate because they don't see any other option.

Here's something most people don't understand why their governments are so corrupt. It's because we, the United States, corrupted them. An entire century of U.S. intervention created this crisis. Those seeking asylum today inherited a series of crises that drove them to the border. Since Theodore Roosevelt in 1904 declared the U.S.’s right to exercise an “international police power” in Latin America, the U.S. has cut deep wounds throughout the region, leaving scars that will last for generations to come. And this is the result of that 'police power' of the U.S. In general, the U.S. takes no responsibility for the conditions that drive Central American migrants to the border.U.S. empire thrives on amnesia. The entire Trump administration can't remember what it said last week, let alone the actions of presidential administrations long gone that sowed the seeds of today’s immigration crisis.

 

They would not have the technical skills or clearance to replace me. Now if I was you I would be concerned about your job at McDonalds.

 

If you're speaking about me personally, you couldn't be more wrong. I hold a Masters of Science in Nursing and will never be without a job.

 

This will just escalate as the dems take control and take down the borders. Illegals from 3rd world countries are used to living packed like sushi. Living 8 to 10 in a room in the USA is a dream for them. This trend to 'pack' tenants is welcomed by landlord in the US. They can rent a 1 bedroom at astronomical prices and 10 people can share the rent.

The native Americans (not American Indians) will be overrun by illegals and end up living in their car. They won't be able to afford paying rent by one or two people versus 10 illegals paying. The native Americans are used to only living so low.

(Note...in L.A. they have made it illegal to sleep in your car. You will have to sleep on the sidewalk if you end up homeless.)

As the dems work overtime to dope up America, they won't put up to much of a fight. A doped up society will also be a help when the dems call in all the guns.

 

It was about myself addressing your question that you asked of me. Why so confused? Yes, you can be without a job. Getting sued, having license revoked for malpractice or a boatload of Philippine nurses that work for less arrives on our shore and flood the market like Mexicans do in the construction and service industry.

As of now, I am working on my second retirement. Was a combat medic for 23 years in the Army.

May I ask a question?

Your nursing/medical associations and unions, do they have PAC's and lobbyist pushing to restrict Foriegn health care workers entering the US?

If so, why?

 

I have seen lot of Indian and Mid-Eastern doctors, nurses and interns lately in Florida hospitals. Is that a nationwide thing, or just down here? They have already taken over IT industry and the "merit based immigration" approach will only make it worse. Do you see the same happening in health care?

 

LOL that's what the textile/garment workers thought in 1985, the programmers thought in 1995, the engineers in 2010, the attorneys in 2015...

No one is irreplaceable, and the more you think you are while embracing the lunatic democrap party's mass invasion of the country - the more likely you will be replaced. Low skill nurses are a dime a dozen from the 3rd world.

 

It's pretty common, but I'm a little surprised by Florida. Usually it has been in underserved areas like the mid-west. They are a casualty of Trumps immigration policy however.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...lights-u-s-dependence-on-foreign-born-doctors

 

It's another organised political stunt by the left because they're desperate throw everything they have into the "Identity arsenal" because that's all they have.

They're betting they can tug heart strings just in time for the midterms because they really are that transparent and shallow.

 

1 in 4 doctors are foreign born?

Well, it seems the situation is worse than I had imagined.

Yes, the last 4 visits to Cleveland Clinic in South Florida, I have seen ONLY Indian and Mid-Eastern doctors and interns. I was talking to my doctor about all the Indian IT workers I deal with, and he told me the University Of Texas is packed with Indians, so the future is not looking any better from the highly skilled American workers perspective.

 

Yeah, I feel your pain.
The problem is that it costs so much money for those American workers to become highly skilled. Most people don't want to sign up for a quarter million in debt to become a doctor and fewer and fewer families can afford that much to pay for their education up front. So you get two things. Rich kids from other countries coming for education or foreign educated doctors, coming to underserved areas of the country, that are willing to work for less.
To me it seems the problem is that the cost of college has grown much faster than middle class income. But I guess it could be something else.

 

Cost of education is certainly a part of the problem.

Anyway, I bought this up to say that surrendering highly skilled/paid jobs to foreigners is a bigger issue than Honduran people cutting grass or installing roofs. Low skilled people could be given temp work permits based on demand. IMO the "eye of Mordor" is focused on the wrong group of people.

 

Does anyone seek health care in a biochemistry lab or a textile mill? There's only one place to get that sort of care, and you know it. Anyone in the healthcare field these days will never have to look far for a well paying job. I know you aren't aware of it but there's a massive nursing shortage in the U.S. right now. So, no -- nurses will never be without a well paying job. Nurses from '3rd world countries' can't simply get a job here in the U.S., it's not like a machinist or mill worker who can. Nurses are licensed and credentialed by the states they practice in. Where else can a man or woman step into a job at $65k a year and up to start with?

 

That's nothing new. There's always been a lot of doctors coming from other countries to study medicine. About 27% of the U.S. physician workforce are foreign-born. For years the United States has been training too few doctors to meet its own needs, in part because of industry-set limits on the number of medical school slots available. Today about one in four physicians practicing in the United States were trained abroad. An immigrant physician must win one of the coveted slots in America’s medical residency system, the step that seems to be the tightest bottleneck. The only exception is for doctors who did their residencies in Canada.