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My point is, the middle class and the working poor pay into payroll tax with no exemptions. The poor maybe absolved from income tax but not payroll.While there’s a cap for the wealthy to take advantage of. With the recent tax cuts and NO CHANGE.in their deductions, many rich and corporations are paying less in actual taxes, not just percentage, then the middle class. There rates are much lower if paid in capital gains then many in middle class....Romney wanted to cut HIS taxes to zero. Our taxes are going up this year. We’re middle class....these guys are mak8ng out like bandits, not the welfare queens.....totally unfair and a faux canard imo.

 

The wealthy pay as much into SS as everyone else

And get back the same amount when they retire

 

The cap is at $113k. No one pays anymore payroll tax after that for payroll tax. It’s a flat tax, not progressive. The very rich pay less in actual tax then many middle class because if their loopholes and deductions that trump said he would change....” a promise made and not kept”

 

The rich pay as much as anyone else up to the cap

Its pretty obvious you want them to ay 90% of the payroll tax too

But if so they should get 90% of the SS payout also and I’m sure you dont want that

 

Well, the top 10% of the population....have 77% of the wealth, while the bottom 90 % have 23% of the total wealth. Of course the uppoer incomes should pay much more in actual income tax. They have 3/4 of the total wealth ! So, in income taxes, the top 10% pay 53% of the total income tax....while having 77% of the wealth.
The top 50% pays nearly all income tax....but all pay the into the payroll tax.

As far as payroll taxes at a flat rate, the top 10% are paying lMuch ess then the bottom 99% in the total payroll tax. Considering the surplus goes back into the general fun with the income tax, it’s apparent that the middle class and working poor are getting skrewed

 

SS is an earned benefit

But you want to turn it into a welfare program

 

Earned my good man. Please read....it has contributed 2.6 Trillion to the general fund. What is so WELFARE about we contributing 2.6 trillion with half of it going to the military !
If I want my contribution going toward disability insurance for a 29 year old with stage one diabetes, INSTEAD of the military, that’s my vote.
The govt. needs to protect us. That’s what it’s there for. Protecting us from diseases like old age and cancer is MORE valuable then protecting us from canards like Hondurans with rocks. My earned benefits surplus is still going to this canard..
We still have a SS surplus and the military industrial complex owes us 2.6 trillion .

 

What a crock of steaming crap. They are simply the government reaching into your pocket and stealing money like liberals and socialist do. It was SOLD as an investment, called an investment by THE GOVERNMENT. And I had TWO wives die of cancer. TWO OF THEM. I took care of the costs, I purchased insurance to protect both them and myself. Dead wife number one took 5 years and two months to die of breast cancer. Now how come I had money to pay the bills and others don't.

You see, socialism is simply legal theft from the productive to the unproductive. why should I pay part of the $500,000 a smoker who dies or become disable by lung cancer? If they cannot get insurance for a pre existing condition is just to F'in bad. It is like a person with a drunk driver convict getting the same rate for insurance as I do without a bad driving record. Can't afford medical? you should have thought about it when you started your smoking 30 years before and saved the money on the cigarettes into an investment into your old age.

 

The military is lss than 20% of the budget

I agree that the congress has musnanaged our finances but your math is way off

And why so much hate for the military that exists to defend your freedom?

 

Now, which other figure do you have a problem with ?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/merril...lion-social-security-trust-fund/#657e018d4947

 

From the office if social security.
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DEFINED IT AS AN INVESTMENT PLAN. , LOOK IT UP ANYWHERE ....TRY A DICTIONARY. HERE IS THE OFFICE OF SS. .
Social Security
United States

In the United States, Social Security is the commonly used term for the federal Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program and is administered by the Social Security Administration. The original Social Security Act was signed into law by President Franklin Roosevelt in 1935, and the current version of the Act, as amended, encompasses several social welfare and social insurance programs.

It’s an insurance plan. Pay go insurance are handled differently then investment plans .

The govt defines and funds it through a “pay go”:system like an insurance plan. Investment plans are not funded the same way.
You don’t know the legal difference do you. ?

This explains the differences BETWEEN investment vs insurance, read it then take your foot out of your mouth.



https://budgeting.thenest.com/investment-vs-insurance-3381.html

 

Reuters on your return on social scurity insurance vs stock market investments.,

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-miller-socialsecurity-idUSBRE89H0YG20121018

 

I have a problem with people claiming SS benefits need to be cut back......bynGOP to cut the deficit. The SS trust fund and Medicare part A fund are both in the black and contribute nothing to the deficit. Both are paid for by pay roll taxes and are not paid out of the same fund as other parts of Medicare, Medicaid or the military.mthey have a 2.6;trillion contribution to the general fund. They pay their own way.....and then some.

 

You don't understand where your freedoms came from. Let me tell you, I personally have had their blood on my hands.

 

I agreed with you that congress mismanaged the SS trust fund money

But I object to your cockeyed premise that the military solely is to blame for it

More of it went to bloated welfare programs and general overspending in every other part of the budget

 

Please tell me where I used the word “solely”
when talking about the military budget and fiscal sanity.
My contention is that SS and Medicare part A trust fund don’t contribute to the deficit spending in the decetionary part of the budget. They pay for themselves with the people’s hard earned payroll taxes with NO exemptions you can get with income taxes. It’s finances, not pitting the military vs anyone else...that’s a different debate.

 

The SS trust fund does not exist

Like it or not that money is gone

You must face and accept that reality

 

This is where liberals and conservatives part company.
The job of Govt. is to protect the civil rights and physical well-being of its citizenry. That’s why we have both soldiers, and 911.
More people die from lack of healthcare then in all out wars put together....most through no fault of their own.

Welfare programs save more lives then the military does per year. They deserve equal consideration. SS doesn’t make anyone rich..but you can buy food and pay your rent if you’re old and provide a little protection during recessions and poor health if you’re younger.
Life saving is the primary job of the feds regardless of which role it takes. That’s why we have pollution too.

 

Stop stealing it.

 

Republican leaders in congress are looking past the next election to the time when SS and Medicare will not run a surplus


When that happens benefits will have to be cut whether you like it or not

 

The more welfare government provides the more people come to depend on government rather than themselves

 

Thats not a bad idea

For all the talk I assume even the current surplus is going into the general fund

 

That will be a first when repugs look into the future.

Cutting benefits just to keep from paying back the 2.6 trillion owed ?
All that has to be done is attach the cap at 113k on a COLA. That's fair to everyone . It makes both solvent indefinitely and gives repugs a chance to steal more $$$

 

Bet our collective asteroids it is. Like the trillions before, it becomes part of the deficit. Someone has to back those Treasury notes.

 

The difference is, the people are in a democracy. Of course, practices like voter suppression and citizens united make for a minority ruling class. The majority vote in midterms has been on the Dems side since Nixon..
That simply means, the majority of the electorate is with Dem policies not the GOP apartheid inspired gov. with the poor vs the ruling class.