Trump threatens shooting of Central American migrants who throw stones

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    Actually, I watch a Fox too...but I also watch everyother out let including pbs. That’s what liberals do; we are really fair and balanced but not in name only.,
     
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    Opinions not based on evidence is conversation. Just because you have an opinion with no evidence , don’t expect your opinion to be taken seriously.

    Trump admits he has NO PROOf and offers no evidence that the caravan contains terrorists. Yet, he keeps saying it does. He can’t be taken seriously.

    You may have an opinion that climate change is a hoax.
    Every university , country and major industry in the world disagrees. I don’t take you seriously.
     
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    Do you seriously believe that out of 12,000 people none are criminals?

    Really?
     
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    Reminds me of Charles DeGaulle, fighting for France. In safety, from England, LOL!
    I dont see anyone referencing Fox news as much as you do. It seems to be in every 3rd post or so. Certainly I see no one here citing Fox as a news source.
     
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    Aren’t t we addressing terrorists ? . 12000, another Fox lie.

    The criminal elements are dealt with in Mexico and Like all the other caravans, they expect a few problems. Always have been with caravans. But an Invasion ? Give us a break. It’s a police action in cooperation with our intel and Mexico. You’re not evidence base so you get things perpetually wrong. Be sure and let’s us know when this invasion by 12000 criminals and terrorist takes place. Where did this 12000 number come from ?

    Btw, climate change is a related issue....that’s a driving force in migration. Faux never told you that.

    12000, ha ha
    It’s down below 4000 the last I heard from the fake news, let’s see whose correct..
     
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    You bet your asteroid. We KNOW Fox is your primary source because we know it’s Trumps source. It’s a joke as Trumps own military disagrees on theses matters. No one references fox because they’re too embarrassed.
     
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    Do you trust this source ? This is Trumps own DHS.
    270 have criminal histories along the route......not necessarily traveling in the caravan . Now how would they know that ? They are monitoring it every step of the way.
    Trump will have 5200 extra troops beyound the 2000 guardsmen Andy 17000 border agents. . Sounds like politics ha ha.
    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/11/01/myth-vs-fact-caravan

    My position has always been, everything is under control like it has always been. They can and have and will arrest these guys at the drop of a hat.
     
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    This is fear mongering and acting like a drama queen.
    The evidence from DHS doesn’t bear it out,
     
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    Well, I don’t see Trumpeters citing much if anything. Lots of opinions, little supported by evidence. That’s referred to as trolling.
     
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    Fox is my primary source for what? You appear to be conflating everyone who disagrees with you under the "Trump" or "Fox News" heading, or both.

    Here's a nice CNN excerpt and source for you showing that the caravan of "refugees" has used force, ignored the directions of Guatemalan and Mexican authorities, crashed a fence, and has refused an offer to settle in Mexico (this further undermining their claim to refugee status under the firm resettlement doctrine).

    (CNN)They've crossed a river, trekked hundreds of miles and persuaded police blockades to let them pass .... A week and a half after their arrival at the Guatemala-Mexico border, thousands of migrants from Central America are still slowly moving north. And while their numbers have decreased in recent days, many maintain that they're destined for the United States, undeterred by the Trump administration's plans to send troops to the border and -- so far -- unenticed by Mexican officials' attempts to convince them to stay. After days of fast-moving developments, here's where things stand in Mexico: Mexico's new offer to migrants: Stay here ... Under a plan dubbed "Estas en tu Casa" (You're at Home), officials said migrants of working age could apply for asylum and would be eligible for certain jobs -- provided they stay in Chiapas or Oaxaca, two southern Mexican states. The migrants are currently in Oaxaca, hundreds of miles from the US border and likely weeks -- or even months -- away from any attempt to cross it.

    Even before Peña Nieto's announcement, more than 2,700 migrants from this large group had filed paperwork seeking asylum in Mexico, and hundreds had voluntarily agreed to return to their home country. But thousands more kept heading north.

    Guatemalan riot police clash with Honduran migrants trying to cross the Guatemala-Mexico international border bridge in Ciudad Tecun Uman, Guatemala, on October 28, 2018.


    Migrants threw rocks and sticks. Mexican forces threw tear gas.
    In the clashes, a 26-year-old Honduran national, Henry Adalid Díaz Reyes, ended up dead, according to the Guatemalan Attorney General's Office. Authorities are investigating.
    Several other migrants and police officers sustained minor injuries. Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete condemned the violence, stating that "aggressors" had arrived armed with Molotov cocktails. "The only way to enter Mexico is following immigration laws," he said.
    On Monday, many who'd been stopped on the border bridge the day before appeared to be wading across the Suchiate River from Guatemala into Mexico.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/americas/mexico-migrants-response/index.html



     
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    I don’t disagree with any reference you just posted. If you have read my posts carefully, you know where I come down. Central America is in turmoil. What’s your point, we’ve had caravans of refugees several if not many times before. They all start out large for self protection and dwindle to a manageable size.

    And, they are being managed. This is really funny. I actually have more confidence in the military including the DHS under Trump, then you guys. Trumpeters are purists, even to the point of criticizing our own valued institutions. Have even given references from Trumps own cabinet officials.
    The guy is dillusionally self absorbed narcissist. His iwn people disagree with his dumb stories 90% if the time.

    At some point you WILL,agree and say somyhing like ‘ I knew it all the time.”
     
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    I don't deny that they are being monitored, and am glad that they are.

    Not all Hondurans or all caravan members are criminals, though a conspicuous number of them have ignored Mexican offers of resettlement, and unlawfully, violently even, crashed border fences in both Guatemala and Honduras. If they do sneak in under cover of darkness without inspection, they will have committed a crime (misdemeanor) under 8 USC 1325. I of course have no problem with them walking up to an immigration official and claiming asylum, as some will do. But if they sneak in, or blow off the court date they will be given, I will have no problem deporting them. Same result if the immigration judge denies their claim, orders them to leave ("voluntary departure" under Immigration law), and they ignore the order.
     
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    This is scarier. We’re starting to agree about something.

    I get that it’s real dangerous in certain parts of the world, but Mexico has been a huge buffer for us, much to the shargrin of a lot if Mexicans. We can no longer justify a huge wall with respect to Mexico. The bulk of the immigration, legal or illegal, has already occurred . That void is now in large part being assumed in Mexico as the Majority of refugees are staying in Mexico or returning, check the numbers and the DHS. If we didn’t have agents literally marching with them, it would be a surprises to everyone in the know. Criminals ? Yes, but they pray on the refugees. We literally can identify the remaining ones . If they sneak in, it would in spite of, not because of any caravan.

    We are managing it.
     
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    If one wanted to wave a magic wand and turn Texas into a blue state, then build that wall.
     
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    Where's the caravan? You know 'THE caravan', the one filled with men - really bad men, MS13 men and Middle East men, terrorist men.... and women - bad women, job-stealing Central American women.....and children bad children, camera ready, paid for by George Soros children.

    According to Vox, the morning show on Fox and Friends made up 11 mentions of the caravan on Friday, 10 mentions of the caravan on Monday, 9 on Tuesday and since then.......nothing. Funny but before the election on Tuesday they couldn't say enough about the 'threats' of the caravan. It was drama for election day and now the elections are done, so it's not useful anymore.

    Fox News reports that the caravan is close, 'nearly here at our Southern Border' (OMG!) But it has reached somewhere South of Mexico City. Does Fox know where Mexico City is and how many miles or how long it will take anyone to reach one of the southern borders walking all the way?


    “I want to go over legally and do it with hard work and everything because you can’t get anything just sitting down,” said 14-year-old Jorge Gomez from Guatemala.

    His father, Amilcar, said he wants to do things the right way.

    “We do want to apply for asylum,” he said, “and we want to leave because there’s too much violence in our country.”

    Most of the migrants interviewed by Fox News said they want to enter legally.

    The Hondurans might get here and want to go back seeing how much violence there is right here in our country.
     
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    Trump has mentioned possoble terrorist infiltration

    But the largest concern and objection to the migrant mob is common criminals combined with the fact that NONE of the foreigners belong 8n the US
     
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    Its realistic caition based on the criminal record of illegal aliens in America
     
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    Minorities and guilt-ridden white liberal refugees from california and new York want to turn Texas blue with or without the wall

    But why make it easier for them by leaving the border wide open?
     

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