Trump To California: Give Us Our $3.5 Billion Back For That 'Green' High-Speed Rail

Did this project fail yes or no Margot2 or 3 or 4 who knows who i am speaking to.

Since you brought it up

https://californiapolicycenter.org/californias-total-state-local-debt-totals-1-3-trillion/

Do you want your crow served hot or cold?

 

Actually, $77 billion is the projected cost of the railway if it were to be completed as originally planned. So far the state has spent $5.4 billion on the project, NOT $77 billion

 

And your point is.....? .....Saudi Arabians are smarter than California Democrats? .....California should be more like Saudi Arabia? ....Saudi Arabia has enough oil money to fund something like this? ......Saudi Arabian politicians are more competent than California Democrats?

 

LOLOL.. Well done.

 

Do you liberals think you are cute with these backhanded insults directed at everyone-to-the-right-of-Pelosi? You're wrong of course, but that has never stopped any of you, and I guess you think you are cute. It must be what passes for liberal humor when you're not getting your news from SNL or the Colbert report.

 

Pentagon Refuses to say Border wall is necessary or a national emergency.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/pe...cy-declaration/?utm_source=push_notifications

 

Further evidence why we'd be better off without California.

We keep paying for their stupid ideas.

 

You are laughing out loud out loud over 5.7 billion being wasted?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/us/sec-shanahan-border-funding/index.html
Shanahan will receive a full briefing from the service secretaries in the next few days about the potential programs from which the money may be taken, as well as other details after some initial planning, a defense official told reporters.
"The joint staff is determining which barriers should be prioritized along the southwest border from a military perspective analysis," the defense official who spoke on background said.
"I'll go in and review that analysis now that the emergency has been declared," Shanahan said. "Based on that, we can do an assessment of what would be appropriate."

You left this out.. They are deciding what to cut to fund it and how to spend the money the best wall possible..

Quite different from that tabloid Rawstory dont you think?

 

You mean California's surplus?

 

You are all over the place.. I showed in a previous post your claims of a "surplus" are a total joke..

You cant subtract all debt and then claim you have a surplus.

 

You're confusing the meaning of the words "debt" and "deficit"

A surplus does not mean there is no debt, it means there is no deficit, which means that annually the state brings in more revenue than what it spends. For every year a state runs a surplus, their debt decreases, and every year they run a deficit, their debt increases. There is not a single state in the United States that does not have a debt, however there are some states (like California) who do not have a deficit.

 

You can call it unfunded liablities if you want.

Or read the link i provided.. Or you can claim i dont know what i am speaking about.

 

I did read your link, and I am explaining to you what the article actually means. The article you linked refers to California's debt, the error in your argument is you are confusing this report on the state's debt as meaning that the state of California running a deficit. That is not the case, the state of California is currently running a surplus

In other words, the state is NOT debt free, it is deficit free. That is what running a surplus means

 

Spin it any way you want. Unfunded means unfunded.

 

Or collusion to defraud the taxpayers. If they don't give the $3.5 billion back, the doj should investigate where every penny went.

 

It's not a spin, it's understanding the meaning of the words "debt" and "deficit". You argued that California does not have a surplus because they still have a state debt, which is an argument that demonstrates a lack of understanding between the words debt and deficit. You were incorrect, California does in fact have a surplus. You could have argued that although the state is currently running a surplus, it still has a long way to go before it is debt free, and you would have been correct had you made that the basis of your argument. However, instead you argued that the state does not have a surplus, which is inaccurate.

You are correct to say that there is still a debt, but you are incorrect to say that the state does not have a surplus.

 

Good then California should simply cut a check to the federal government for the money they put into the Jerry Brown's "Brown Streak" high speed rail to no where.

 

That logic is like the kid who starts out with a brand new shiny credit card who slowly puts more and more spending/bills on said card paying slightly over the minimum without a care in the world because the bills are "paid".. I mean hell if the kid puts enough on the card and the end of the month any money left over in this account is a bonus! ( surplus)

Then you have people like me that point out to said kid that eventually that is going to catch up and drown them in debt ...

Dont be the kid.

 

Great and all, but as evidenced in CA we have logistical difficulties that stems from the overdevelopment of land and trying to find space for the trains. It's not that I'm anti-high speed rail(actually, I think this project would've been completed better in FEDERAL hands as opposed to State hands.)

It's that we currently lack the domestic situation to be able to sufficiently get the project started.(Had it been a Federal Project, I would've tried to enlist the assistance of those who worked on high-speed rail projects in allied nations such as Japan.) An international team hired by the government would be my choice to tackle the issue.

 

MAGA

 

Don't confuse them with facts.

 

Permitting and right of way acquisition are always the most expensive and time consuming part of infrastructure project.

When you see it under construction, it's usually about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way through the process.

That's why there is no such thing as a "shovel ready" project, except through as a lucky break.

No, it's mainly because the same people here always voice the same parochial sentiments when dismissing, as impractical, the technologies that most advanced countries already have.

 

Trump is an AMATEUR.

He doesn't understand how these things work.

The Fed. Gov't will never get any of that money back from Cali.

 

A DOJ investigation and lawsuit says they will. Or they can just cut federal funds $3.5 Billion. Then let California sue.