Trump to CNN: ‘Ask the Angel Moms’ Whether I’m Making Up a National Emergency at the Border

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  1. cd8ed

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    Ok... they still make up 2/3’s of the new immigration which you didn’t know so why is your opinion relevant again? Isn’t that your own metric of if people are allowed to have an opinion. I take it you will immediately stop participating in these threads...

    No? Didn’t think so
     
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    Please post a single person that has said they don’t care or it is unimportant? You know, your god doesn’t look to kindly at lying. Or turning away from your fellow man that is in need.

    Here’s to you being judged accordingly :flame:
     
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    What questions? Yes, the ones I posted. You know, questions that are central to the border issue and the ability to have a discussion about it.

    The DHS/ICE/CBP have categorically called for more border infrastructure. Had you spent any time learning about the subject, you wouldn't claim otherwise.
     
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    They have called for technology, more immigration judges and strategic placement or repair of certain sectors of wall.

    They have not called for what trump is proposing
     
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    Not true. I guess you didn't avail yourself of the data I gave you access to.

    You are welcome to have any opinion you want, but if you demand I accept it, you should be prepared to address information that is presented to challenge it.

    That's why they refer to this site as a "debate" site.
     
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    Not true at all.

    Are you familiar with the technology that is currently being used on the border right now, and has been added to over the years?

    Do you know they currently have vehicle and man borne surveillance systems in place right now, and operating? Do you know they have drones, FLIR, laser and ground movement systems? And yet, thousands of people are avoiding capture every day?

    Are you of the belief none of these systems are currently deployed?
     
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    It is true.
    And I don’t “demand” you people accept anything. It’s impossible to have y’all acknowledge or understand basic information so I agree it would be futile.

    You posting a 50 page report and then saying seeeeee! doesn’t prove anything.
     
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    How would you know?

    I sense were at the end of this, so I bid you a good day.
     
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    I am, that’s why I said they are asking for more technology. The key word in the sentence is in bold, I also underlined and italicized it so hopefully you don’t miss it again.
     
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    They have significant technology, and it's not working. Have you read their reports, or are you just not interested?
     
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    I’ve read several, also a few showing that walls do not work in the majority of sectors where they have been built.

    Guess you missed those
     
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    Why isn’t it? Are they not properly trained with drone technology and strategy for apprehension? Or underfunded/undermanned?

    If they have all that tech I don’t see how it wouldn’t work?
     
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    Technology is only as good as the person using it.

    That said the apprehensions are at record lows which means that it is effective in both apprehending and as a deterrent.
     
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    Called for?

    That is empty talk

    Where is the money?
     
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    Possibly record lows mean that it’s effective or it’s sorely underfunded/understaffed poorly trained. I’m sure ice budget is public but I don’t know the numbers I’m just throwing out a theory. I think visa and asylum courts are a very large issue as they seem to be woefully understaffed/funded
     
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    All these look like the US is on the right track though
     
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    Ask the trump

    Maybe Mexico has it?
     
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    The dems are not doing anything to create border security
     
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    It is becoming increasingly obvious that the campaign gimmick contrived by a reality-tv performer with no expertise or experience in border security, his "big, beautiful wall" that he repeatedly insisted that Mexico would pay for - a vow every bit as sincere as his promise to come clean with his tax returns - serves only as an airy-fairy juju to keep his devout lickspittles in line.

    By contriving a tsunami of legal challenges, he has guaranteed its perpetuation as a self-serving pretense of paranoidal persecution (Everyone is being very, very mean to Cry Baby Donny!)

    The vast majority of hard drugs seized by Customs and Border Protection are captured at points of entry, not between them, and unlawful migration over the border has fallen 90% since 2000.

    "Emergency!"?

    Trump refuted his own fake claim of urgency:

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    "I didn't need to do this,
    but I'd rather do it much faster."
     
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    Their proposal included border security items plus more than a billion for the wall. Which he refused and then shut the government down.
     
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    Thats nothing

    We need to spend 20 billion on projects other than the wall

    Giving billions to cental America in welfare should be spent in America instead
     
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    Facts.... but this map doesn’t give the Democrats much credibility when it comes to immigration.

    Map 1: Sanctuary Cities, Counties, and States
    Updated May 30, 2018
    The sanctuary jurisdictions are listed below. These cities, counties, and states have laws, ordinances, regulations, resolutions, policies, or other practices that obstruct immigration enforcement and shield criminals from ICE — either by refusing to or prohibiting agencies from complying with ICE detainers, imposing unreasonable conditions on detainer acceptance, denying ICE access to interview incarcerated aliens, or otherwise impeding communication or information exchanges between their personnel and federal immigration officers.

    A detainer is the primary tool used by ICE to gain custody of criminal aliens for deportation. It is a notice to another law enforcement agency that ICE intends to assume custody of an alien and includes information on the alien's previous criminal history, immigration violations, and potential threat to public safety or security.
    https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States
     
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    100% agree we’ve sent crazy amounts of funding there and have nothing to show for it.
     
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    And the use of a grieving mother to support the argument for a wall is an emotional fallacy as well. Yes, the crime is the issue, not the ethnicity.

    And I would not have such a problem with that if you also reported all criminal code and policy violations. That would include reporting all those who seem to be too drunk to be driving; those who play with their phones while driving; and those who throw trash out the window. If you're going to single out one group of people for your upholding of the law, then you lose all moral authority and become someone acting on political prejudices.

    Economics . . . the root of this evil. As I understand your comments, you're arguing that we should just "conquer" those countries, and do so for no other reason than they present us with an opportunity to profit. You may read that as something genetic that we really can't help (only the strongest survive), but I read that as a moral corruption that should never be tolerated.
     
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    Link please.......thanks
     

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