Trump to CNN: ‘Ask the Angel Moms’ Whether I’m Making Up a National Emergency at the Border

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  1. Adfundum

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    It may not be right, but it's cheap, and the general contractors are likely not interested in much other than getting the job done as fast and cheap as possible. It starts with the laborers themselves, who offer their labor through "contracts"--as in cash for services. They get contracted by contractors who contract to contractors. The layers of contracting hide the whole citizenship thing and there is no need to do any kind of citizenship or tax related paper work.

    I might hire the guy down the street to pour a concrete walk for me. I'll give him cash for the job. Then I might brag to others about what a good job he did. Someone might call me and ask if I can get that guy to do some concrete work for him. This is actually how a lot of construction-related jobs get done.
     
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    Given the size of the invasion of illegal aliens, and they extreme low level skills they have to contribute, I agree it likely a good majority of the laborers on typical construction projects are illegal aliens.

    However, it is well known the vast majority of them use stolen identities and forged documents to secure those jobs. How diligent do you expect employers to get when trying to hire someone for $10/hr?

    Should employers simply refuse to hire anyone who doesn't have a reasonable command of English?
     
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    Since those "employers" often never meet those who perform the labor, they would not know about language skills. As far as "well-known" facts about the majority of them using stolen IDs, I don't know that the claim is accurate. https://www.cato.org/blog/identity-loans-identity-theft-illegal-immigration-regulated-labor-market
     
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    Is that like the correlation between sadomasochism and right wing political opinions?
     
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    I base that "well known" fact on the comments of someone of substantial power, and in a position to know.



    Kevin De Leon was third in line to the Governorship of California.
     
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    The link to the Cato Institute addresses that issue, and it's not as clear cut as stolen IDs since the numbers come from records that show tax filings and ITINs that don't match. That mismatch may or may not indicate a stolen ID, as many of them are known as Identity Loans. The irony of this is that without those ID loans, the workers could not pay taxes.
     
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    Based on my own personal experience on the matter as a result of employing large numbers of people, I do not find the Cato Institutes claims to be accurate. I have been a business owner for over almost 40 years, and have many friends who are business owners. I don't recall any conversation on this subject where an employee found to be illegally working used a borrowed identity to gain employment. What typically triggers the exposure of the illegal worker is a notice from SSA indicating there is a problem with the Social Security number attributed to them. A borrowed SS number would trigger this response much faster than it typically has taken.

    In the end, it is a felony to forge federal documents. Presenting a forged social security card is common among illegal aliens applying for jobs, as it is a required document.
     
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    What's ignorant is not understanding that security is multiple efforts at deterring entry. Should I not lock the doors to my home, because if somebody really wants in they will just break the window?

    The fact is, our border is easy to enter. In many places, just walk right in. By installing a wall, we slow down the entry and give immigration enforcement a better opportunity to prevent it.

    Your all or nothing approach is ridiculous. Maybe we should just completely unsecure the border since nothing is 100%fool proof?

    Increasing presence on the border, utilizing the National Guard.

    Maybe you missed the literal caravans of thousands of immigrants, 5 of them no less, trying to enter the country?

    He ran on securing the border and building a wall. And he was elected. Sorry that's inconvenient.

    Can we just admit that you desire people to cross the border illegally?
     
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    What other items are being proposed to prevent illegal immigration? It’s absurd to “slow them down” when we have the ability to almost completely eliminate it through technology and policy.

    And the policy of building an expensive incomplete fence (that all of the prototypes failed breach tests) that people can just walk around does nothing to prevent people from coming nor does it do anything about the ones already here. It’s not all or none, it’s wanting policy that works — not just wasting more money.

    2/3’s of illegal immigration is visa overstays, up to 1/6th of it are at checkpoint crossings. How many of these does the national guard stop?

    That still doesn’t change the fact that the overall number is down

    He also ran on Mexico paying for it, bringing back respect for America, paying down the debt, removing corruption in Washington, not playing golf ever fourth day at his private resorts.

    What’s your point?

    I want policy that will make their lives so unbearable here they don’t want to come.

    Can you just admit you sanction wasting billions of dollars, creating numerous environmental issues and stealing people’s land because you are a racist? Can we agree on that? Or how about partisan hack? Sheeple? NPC? Pick your adjective.

    I’m tired of being accused of wanting illegals here because I think there is a better way. But that would require trumpets that have critical thinking skills which y’all are completely devoid of.
     
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    The Left is against a physical barrier because physical barriers work and they want Open Borders and illegal entrants to remain once they manage to enter.

    Democrats reject push to alert ICE when illegal immigrants fail firearm background checks.

    They simply do not give a damn about our or our family's safety.
     
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    Try actually reading the link.
     
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    Oh, comon . Even you aren't stupid enough to think that proves anything.
     
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    Let's clear up your ignorance about confidence intervals first. Your link does not discuss them.
     
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    As much as any leftists claims.
     
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    You need help for your delusional thinking.
     
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    Actually your moron source doesn't actually have data that would generate confidance intervals. Read the link.
     
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    It contains references to peer reviewed studies. Good enough for me. Your link doesn't mention confidence intervals.
     
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    Duh, because there aren't any.
     
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    Hardly

    Liberals have so far lacked tje power to follow their lefty mentors in europe

    Your crowd would happily take away the guns if they could

    And you would help them do it
     
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    Have you noticed that after two years of Trump doing nothing to improve border security we suddenly have a national emergency. He hasn't even bothered to spend the money allocated to improve security. Does that make you wonder?
     
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    (1) Your link was not about the link in question.

    (2) Apparently your link doesn't care about confidence intervals. Perhaps the author is satisfied that the confidence intervals are OK.

    I am beginning to doubt you understand your link.
     
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    In other words, the average IQ of a population is simply an index of the size of its middle class, both of which are results of industrial development. So, an association between IQ and national wealth is hardly surprising, though its causal direction is the opposite of that assumed by L&V. But I would not take the ‘evidence’ presented in this book to serve arguments either way. Of the 185 countries in the sample, ‘direct evidence’ of the ‘national IQ’ is available for only 81! National IQs for 101 countries are simply estimated from ‘most appropriate neighbouring countries’, that is, the ‘known IQs’ (sic) of their ‘racial groups’ (p 72). But, even for most of the others, ‘direct evidence’ is putting it strongly, as even a cursory glance at the motley tests, dates, ages, unrepresentative samples, estimates, and corrections show. A test of 108 9–15-year olds in Barbados, of 50 13–16-year olds in Colombia, of 104 5–17-year olds in Ecuador, of 129 6–12-year olds in Egypt, of 48 10–14-year olds in Equatorial Guinea, and so on, and so on, all taken as measures of ‘national IQ’.
     
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    The first statement of your cut and paste is simply wrong. China has a very high average IQ but has a minuscule middle class.
     
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    Your paranoia isn't a reflection of my or any other reality. I have guns and my own range and support stringent background checks and banning bump stocks and assault type weapons. You fools just do the NRA's marketing job paid for by the more gun lobby. They will support any type of guns for any type of mentally deranded idiot without the slightest conscience about the consequences. And now of course that they have a Republican President and a divided Congress and there is no chance whatsoever of responsible legislation their rhetoric has gotten even more shrill in an attemp to prop up lagging gun sales.
     
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    Assault type weapons? You mean rifles?

    Oh, BTW, the best gun salesmen are libs.
     
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