Trump to declare National emergency for Wall

Discussion in 'United States' started by WalterSobchak, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The courts will differ to the Congress since they passed the laws Trump is using and also gave themselves an out but Congress will have to pass veto proof legislation to undo what they have done.
     
  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hardly MrUnLegal.
     
  3. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly. Why would the Courts undo it, when Congress has the power, by statute to undo it.

    Obama’s Border Patrol Chief Says Trump Isn’t Making Up Border Emergency.
     
  4. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/02/trumps-emergency-declaration-john-yoos-take.php
     
  5. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    17,908
    Likes Received:
    10,396
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You cling to Nate as your fortune teller, and demand I provide more data?

    And what data are you referring to? The data you make up to confirm your bias?

    But go ahead and bank on a guy who makes a living analyzing baseball and elections.
     
  6. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    41,095
    Likes Received:
    26,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I can provide you the actual quotes from the (at least) 8 Republican senators who have voiced disapproval for trump's declaration, if you'd like?

    Or would you like to argue that their statements of opposition do not matter or is not predictive of how they will vote in the joint resolution?

    How about the polling data from the American population regarding support/disapproval for trump's declaration? Or his wall? Or would you like to argue that those numbers merely reflect the influence of the "media" on the majority of Americans?
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2019
  7. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    17,908
    Likes Received:
    10,396
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Cool. Have I challenged you on that? No.

    You're the one thinking the comments of those 8, and a baseball and election analyst, proves something. It doesn't. How many Republican Senators are there?

    The Congress has the power to stop the President's National Emergency declaration. So let them try.

    Try some objectivity some time, a concept you've admitted is in short supply for you if the situation fits your bias.
     
  8. AKS

    AKS Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    10,471
    Likes Received:
    4,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh that's rich :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    You'd be the first one bitching and crying like a girl if this was a dem potus declaring a NE to fund a project that failed to garner the requested amount via proper legislation.

    Don't worry though, I promise you that the shoe will be on the other foot eventually and me and the other adults will only be able to tell you that we told you so.
     
    MrTLegal and AZ. like this.
  9. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    40,409
    Likes Received:
    15,894
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, you have seventeen choices so far.

    There is no reason for courts to defer to Congress, and no indication that they are going to.

    Trump lost this battle, and pulled this stunt in an attempt to move the goalposts.

    He undermined his own argument in his remarks, and made a joke out of the entire thing as he was announcing it. His entire performance last Friday had all the gravitas of professional wrestling. Yet another uncomfortable moment watching the child like buffoon who has the most powerful position in the planet, riff about re election and entertain his flat earth political base.

    A constitution crisis reduced to a game show by a carnival barker.

    In the end, Trump will declare fake victory, which is what he usually does. If he can keep the illusion of the fight going, he doesn't have to admit defeat.

    He knows the talk radio audience will believe him when he makes up claims out of whole cloth about his imaginary wall. Trumpsters believe anything Trump or Fox feeds them.

    Trump lost bigly. There will be no wall. So Trump put up a wall of bluster and BS for his base, knowing that bluster and BS are all his base really expects from him. (his press conference was a catalog of lies from one end to the other). Cheesy entertainment and Archie Bunkerism as a substitute for anything important.

    This is actually a very typical Trump move.

    When the wheels are coming off of whatever deal he's in, he puts up a defensive wall of bluster and BS. The mob watches the BS, while Trump has his fixer (used to be Cohen) come in and clean up. He likes having things bottled up in court. He doesn't have to admit defeat that way, and the mob has moved on by the time he loses. Usually, Trump loses these battle, but keeps up a noisy front in public. That's how he gradually frittered away most of his dad's money.
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2019
    AZ. and MrTLegal like this.
  10. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you think a President using the laws that Congress passed is a constitutional crisis? Hyperventilate much?
     
  11. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's dangerous to look both valuable and vulnerable to predators.

    THE GERMAN MILITARY HAS BECOME A SAD JOKE:
    It would certainly be an ironic twist if Poland took them over, and of course, Poland wouldn't do such a thing.
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2019
    Pollycy likes this.
  12. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    17,908
    Likes Received:
    10,396
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You're fantasy are fun and all, but I'm not sure why you feel the need to share them with me.

    Chill dude, I'm sure they have a safe space for you somewhere if you cry loud enough.
     
  13. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    29,922
    Likes Received:
    14,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What you say about the German military today is, unfortunately, exactly what my German friends are telling me has happened there! But I interpret the situation differently. I see the Russians reaching out to the Germans to forge closer and larger economic alliances, and partnerships that will eventually entail Russia, China, and Germany (in its role as the economic and industrial powerhouse of the entire EU). So, no, I don't see a military 'threat' to Germany from Russia (or China, either). As time rolls on, I see all three of them "getting in bed with each other" for a mutually-agreeable and very profitable ménage à trois. :heart:

    Aside: Did'ja know that Germany makes bleeding-edge submarines (but not for itself)?
    China knows --

     
  14. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, that's nice of the Germans.

    ‘We’ll see how frightened America is’ — Chinese admiral says sinking US carriers key to dominating South China Sea.

    This dumb sonofabitch sounds like the Japanese who though Pearl Harbor would cause us to cower, rather than launching the largest and most effective mobilization in the history of warfare that culminated in Fat Man and Little Big Boy.
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...s-carriers-key-to-dominating-south-china-sea/

    I would not want to be this guy or his family were he to sink a couple Aircraft Carriers on Trump's watch.
     
  15. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What a load of horseshit

    [​IMG]


    The Miami Herald reported,
     
    Dutch and Pollycy like this.
  16. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    29,922
    Likes Received:
    14,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nobody's going to be sinking anybody else's aircraft carriers anytime soon, Zorro, but if/when they do, it'll probably be done by drones with missile platforms.

    Aircraft carriers were arguably the most important factor in defeating the Japanese during WWII, but even though they are vastly more powerful, sophisticated, and improved now, over seventy years later, I wouldn't want to be on one in a "WWIII". I wouldn't want to be on a submarine, German or otherwise, either... but there's a lot greater probability of being able to survive a modern war under the ocean than chugging along on the surface at a top speed of -- what -- thirty-five miles per hour...? And, unfortunately, it's true that for every "cloaking device" there's an even newer, improved "cloak-breaker device" in development....

    It's whole new world out there, as I'm sure you know: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-anti-ship-missiles-could-kill-any-navy-29017

    And I'm not opposed to the Navy, per se. But if we get into another war I just want us to win the damn thing, although the greater threat I see facing us now is not foreign but domestic, festering like a malignant tumor in our national 'body' -- a creation of today's ever-more radical Democrat Party....

    Synopsis: when (not 'if') the alliance of Russians, Chinese, and the EU (led by Germany) takes over, first, the Eastern Hemisphere, and moves next into South America, their first big advances will be economic -- and the Chinese are already doing a spectacularly good job of that with their "Belt and Road" program. Russia and Germany are becoming ever more 'joined-at-the-hip', now with the successful Nordstream 2 Pipeline venture. In another ten years, we won't even recognize what's happened in the world, but the Russians, the Chinese, and the Germans will....
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2019
  17. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If it happens on Trump's watch, some Chinese Admirals and whoever else was in on ordering the strike can look forward to US missiles coming through their bedroom windows.
    All three of those nations are in demographic suicide.
    War and conquest are young men's games not nations of geriatrics.

    https://www.hoover.org/research/growing-old-hard-way-china-russia-india

    Another thing, all three of these nations keep their economies afloat through trade surpluses, joining forces doesn't solve their problem, which is the desperate need for consumers to purchase their surpluses.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2019
  18. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The quote in your photo of Trump perfectly describes the reality of economic & political America right now--NOT SOCIALISM.
     
  19. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
  20. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    41,095
    Likes Received:
    26,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The House is set to vote on the resolution to disapprove trump's declaration on Tuesday. It is a near certainty that it will pass and i will be curious to see how many Republican congressmen are willing to put their "the Congress controls the purse strings, not the President" rhetoric to a vote

    The Senate will be required to vote on the joint resolution within two-ish weeks.
     
    Egoboy likes this.
  21. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2017
    Messages:
    44,763
    Likes Received:
    32,094
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Funny, I just asked the same question in my Pelosi thread..

    Will be an interesting vote... I heard one R is actually a co sponsor... can't get much more behind it than that...
     
    MrTLegal likes this.
  22. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    First, Venezuela is a failed example of a socialist country, but there are successful ones in W Europe--as I've said often. Ignoring them doesn't change the fact that there are successful Democratic Socialist states existing. Second, America has become a failed example for capitalism because it has allowed <2% of our population to own & completely control our entire economic system, and force 80% of our population to live payday to payday in constant threat of personal economic disaster brought on by any emergency costing more than $400. at any given instant. Any economic system allowing such extreme disparity in income is a failed system--no matter what you call it.
     
  23. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Funny thing. Every Time an American Socialist assures us that a particular Western European country is socialist, they quickly explain that they are a free-market nation.
    If you want to tax the wealthy more, how come we have Democrat Presidential candidates griping about the SALT limitation that raises taxes only on the upper brackets of earners?
    Venezuela is a failed economy. We have an economy where the Fed and the Obama Administration protected asset prices but really didn't do much for the middle class wage earners that were not government workers. Trump's doing a hell of job correcting that. So no, we aren't going to surrender our Liberty and Freedom in order to adopt the failed Socialist model of Venezuela, USSR, Pol Pot, Castro, Hitler, Mao and Mussolini.
     
  24. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    14,700
    Trophy Points:
    113
    After Congress spanks Trump, he'll veto their allegiance to the Constitution, and legal challenges by patriots, including private property owners whose land he targets for confiscation by his Washington bureaucrats, should prevent Americans having to foot the bill for the campaign juju contrived by a reality-tv performer (with no experience or expertise in border security) that he repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for.

    Hysteria over duct-taped women and prayer rugs aplenty aside, the People shall be speaking truth to power through the courts for years.
     
  25. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    76,418
    Likes Received:
    51,229
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, that post doesn't appear to be holding up particularly well.

    SO MUCH FAKE NEWS, SO LITTLE REPORTING: From ‘no crisis’ to ‘breaking point’: Mainstream media changes its tune on border crisis amid illegal immigration surge.

    Now everyone knows that Trump was RIGHT AGAIN! This is an emergency.
     

Share This Page