Trump to demand $8.6 billion in new wall funding, setting up fresh battle with Congress

It is not at all unusual that when a country has its borders and national sovereignty challenged and threatened like ours has been for the past year that the government of that country shuts the borders to anyone and everything! I've described what's been festering on our border, involving literally tens of thousands of aliens -- citizens of other countries. In periods of national emergencies, such as we have now, it is entirely permissible for us to shut our borders. We are a sovereign nation! We decide who comes in here, and who does not, when, and under what conditions they are allowed to enter here.

If the Mexican government would police the situation in their country, on their side of the border, we wouldn't be having a problem in our country. And, without that threat assaulting our border from Mexico, we could indeed process persons who wish to claim asylum in the United States. Also, you should be aware that citizens of other countries have no right to demand that the United States expedites the claims of anybody for asylum, although such requests for special priority can be made on a case-by-case basis.

 

”No one but me”... that’s strange, as per an April 2016 campaign memo explicitly said Mexico would make "a one-time payment of $5 - 10 billion" for the wall. So maybe his own staffers were confused also. The ex-Mexican President also said “we are not paying for that f’ing wall” and the president of Mexico said Mexico “will not pay for a wall”. So there are three other people at minimum that makes your statement a lie. Your mental gymnastics are noted though. You should tell your power company that even though you said you would pay them you didn’t mean directly and see how they respond.

Trump just asked for another 8.7BN for the wall project and analysts put the number for a complete wall at over 25BN — that is if there are not legal challenges over land and no overruns. There will be a recurring cost for maintenance, repair, replacement, and patrols. We should not be housing illegals period. I’m fine with kicking them all out.

That still isn’t Mexico paying for the wall and is still US citizens paying for it.

 

There is no "challenge" such as that.

Our demographics aren't changing. The number of undocumented aliens isn't changing. That's not how drugs are entering the country.

And, we have international commitments on asylum that WE as a nation have believed in and promoted for a long, long time.

It takes white supremacy and xenophobia along with lies about crime and drugs to whip up the crowds.

 

True.

More than that, Speaker Boehner shouldn't have blocked the vote on the 2013 bipartisan immigration reform bill that was created by the "gang of 8" that included Rubio and McCain, among others. It was backed by all committee members and passed the Senate. It had enough votes to pass the House had Boehner not blocked it.

That bill included $40B for the wall!

Plus, it addressed job protection (the motivating factor for coming here), strengthened the visa system (how half have come to stay illegally), dreamers, etc., etc.

That was a full meal deal that would have left us with vast improvements across the board.

 

No "challenge" to our borders from thousands of 'migrants'...? Where have you BEEN?!

And, actually, you are wrong about "our demographics", too. VERY wrong. We are an increasingly older nation -- lots and lots of "gray hair" everywhere! This portends a grim future for everyone from employers to companies who need to meet sales quotas.

Do you see the irony? We definitely CAN use beneficial, LEGAL immigration! We Americans (like much of Europe) haven't been having nearly as many children for about the past forty years! We NEED quality people, who are educated, who are willing to work, who know how to DO a lot of things that American can't or won't do! Our population has grown rapidly, but not continuously enough to support a robust, growing economy. Now, I'll repeat it because you won't believe that a Conservative is saying it -- we NEED legal immigration! LEGAL immigration is a very, very, very good thing!

Hint: the last time I had a new roof put on my house, not ONE of the workmen spoke much English at all -- and that's just fine with me! They did an excellent job, and they were all in this country working LEGALLY! We need many, many more such competent workers!

What we DON'T need is a bunch of useless peasants with no education and no ability, who come wandering in here illegally from third-world toilets, just to get 'free stuff' forever from hyperliberal, welfare-shoveling, radical DEMOCRATS in return for votes! Do you even begin to understand the difference?! I can't put it any clearer than that....

Suggestion: It's a few years out of date now, but read "The Demographic Cliff" by Harry Dent: https://www.amazon.com/Demographic-Cliff-Survive-Deflation-2014-2019-ebook/dp/B00H4PINJE

 

Last year Trump backed Republican legislation to cut LEGAL immigration by 40%.

This idea that Republicans want more immigration of ANY type is just plain false.

You can't square xenophobia, white supremacy and your ridiculous concern about the English language with promoting immigration.

Perhaps you are unaware that the average of our immigrant population is more highly educated than are those born here.

Sorry, but you spout your bigotry in an attempt to hide your hypocrisy.

 

Yes and Obama promised.......

That was a lie.

Another lie that cost the taxpaying public big time. Funny how you had no concern about that back then, but are really concerned about Trump

Show me where it would cost less than a wall? I agree with you in kicking them out as soon as they're caught, but you'll never get your fellow Democrats to agree.

Who do you think are the vast majority of legal border crossers? It's not folks vacationing in the Mexican Riviera. It's 1500 miles from the border to Cancun, those folks are flying.

 

I don’t care what Obama promised or didn’t promise. I didn’t like him either.

Why do y’all have to deflect on every single thread? It’s pathetic

 

You aren't responding to me, Will. I didn't say one damned word that advocated "xenophobia" or "white supremacy". And I didn't say that I wanted to cut LEGAL immigrtion. Hell, I haven't even been a member of the Republican Party since July of 2017!

You brand me as a hypocrite, without even reading one word I wrote, evidently, and no, I didn't "spout" any "bigotry" in any attempt to hide "hypocrisy" -- you can disagree with me to your heart's content, but at least have the decency to admit that I have been clear and straightforward in what I've said, and not a hypocrite. I said, with excruciating CLARITY that I do (DO) advocate legal immigration! How could you possibly have missed THAT?!

If you don't want to respond to what I wrote then go bellyache to somebody else, because it's obvious that you and I aren't having a conversation at all.

Parenthetically, are you one of these people who stands out on street corners, ranting and raving at everybody who goes by without any thought to who they are, or what you're accusing them of...?

 

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I'm saying that your claim of Republicans WANTING immigration can not be squared with Republican xenophobia, white supremacy, etc.

And, I think your argument can't stand in the face of that truth.

I certainly didn't expect you to mention xenophobia, white supremacy, etc. - why would I think that you would argue against your own claims?

 

It's not deflection, it's called Juxtaposition.

juxtaposition noun

(formal) the juxtaposition of two contrasting objects, images, or ideas is the fact that they are placed together or described together, so that the differences between them are emphasized

 

Look... I didn't say ONE WORD about what 'Republicans want' or what Republicans 'don't want'. I quit the Repubican Party in July 2017. If you want to know what Republicans 'want', then go direct your broad-brushed slander at one of THEM... not me.

I explained my viewpoint with crystal-clarity, but if you'd rather just go on listening to your own pre-concocted rant instead of even trying to listen to anyone else, suit yourself!

 

I didn't accuse you of being a Republican. You've said in the past that you aren't a Republican. If it can be derived from what I have said that I'm accusing you of being a Republican I apologize for such a scurrilous accusation.

My point is that Republicans are NOT interested in immigration of any kind.

 

The prescience of Donald Trump

In February, President Donald John Trump declared that there was a national emergency along our border, and order construction of a wall.

Official Washington was shocked.

Vanity Fair reported, "Dozens of National-Security Experts Call B.S. on Trump's Border."

The ACLU declared, "There Is No ‘National Emergency’ at the Border, and Trump’s Declaration Is Illegal."

CNN declared, "There is no national emergency."

Six weeks after President Trump declared an emergency, the storm has hit Texas. USA Today reported, "EL PASO – Under a bridge connecting the U.S. with Mexico, dozens of migrant families cram into a makeshift camp set up by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The families are there because permanent processing facilities have run out of room.

"Seven hundred miles east, busload after busload of weary, bedraggled migrants crowd into the Catholic Charities Humanitarian Respite Center in McAllen, Texas. Organizers there are used to handling 200 to 300 migrants a day. Lately, the migrants have been arriving at a clip of around 800 a day, overflowing the respite center and straining city resources.

"'It’s staggering,' McAllen City Manager Roy Rodriguez said. 'Really, we’ve never seen anything like this before.'

"Along the Texas border with Mexico – from El Paso to Eagle Pass to the Rio Grande Valley – masses of migrants have been crossing the border in unprecedented numbers, overwhelming federal holding facilities and sending local leaders and volunteers scrambling to deal with the relentless waves of people."

This is the national emergency that President Trump predicted. All the self-appointed experts were wrong, again.

Wrong about Russiagate.

Wrong about the economy.

Wrong about tax cuts.

Wrong about the 2016 election.

After all the things you guys have been wrong about, how come you still scream your wrong claims just as loudly and just as confidently has you did over two years ago?