Trump to States That Won't Share Voter Data: 'What Are They Worried About?'

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Hmmm lets see I have debated from fact and reason while bois debates from suposition and presumption and the erroneous belief this information is private and protected and who presents the reasonable argument?

    What specificaly do you find unreasonable about what I have presented?
     
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    ROFL well information, data, just sits there someone has to do something with it. That is what this bipartisan, thought you guys loved bipartisanship, committee including several secretary of states who oversee state elections, is going to look at and have a dialog and conversation, thought yiu guys liked talking and dialog, and determine whag has occurred and how better we can insure the integrity of our elections and insure voting is not suppressed.

    I'm still waiting for a reasonable objection.
     
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    He doesn't speak for me and I'm solo don't belong to any team.
     
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    Of course it is need, one of the topics will be how can we improve how states communcate with each other to catch double and triple registrations and purge such registrations more accurately. And you dont get to simply dismiss the fact this is a bipartisan commission.
     
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    You do not have correct facts. You are arguing your opinion based on what appears to be Trump supporter talking points.

    You cannot walk into the voter registration office in my state and get the name, address, party affiliation, and voting record of every registered voter. We have a law against the release of that kind of information, and my state's Secretary of State has refused to send the requested data to the sham committee. So, I don't have to have my state change the law. I'm very happy about that, but I also think every American voter should be protected in the same way.

    I can criticize the stupid, wasteful things Trump does. That's my right as an American, with freedom of speech.

    This sham of a committee is a waste of tax dollars attempting to validate Trump's lie (and stroke his fragile ego) that he won the popular vote, when he very obviously did not. If you want to apply Trump Derangement Syndrome to anyone, it would be properly applied to those that see no issue with Trump doing whatever he wants, regardless of the Constitutional role of the federal government. It is decidedly NOT the role of the federal government to pry into state election data. How is it that some "small government" Trump supporters want the federal government to start compiling state election data, when that is clearly not the role of the federal government? That seems quite deranged to me.

    Now, if the sham of a committee was looking into stopping Russia, China, or any other country from hacking into our election systems, or advising states on how to keep the voter data secure, I would welcome it. However, that is not what this "election integrity" committee is doing, and that is exactly why the vast majority of states are not cooperating. The word "integrity" means honesty. With this sham committee, Trump has questioned the honesty of every single state when it comes to running an election. I resent that too.

    If what you claim were true, that the information is already all public data, then the federal government would already have it, as it would be within their realm of responsibility. There's a reason they are asking each state to provide this info…. and that's because the federal government does NOT already have it. They already have SSN, names and addresses, because the federal government deals with tax returns.The federal government has no need to know which party a voter claims to vote in a primary, and that is the ONLY reason there is a party declaration. Primary elections are not federal elections. There is also not one reason to link SSN to voter registration. Period.
     
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    I did vote with an absentee ballot, and I had to put a copy of something in the envelope to prove that I was a registered voter in
    Nevada.
     
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    I am not necessarily dismissing. I just don't trust his motives. How do you know that it is bipartisan?
     
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    Killed with this post! :)
     
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    There is no reasonable objection for you. So don't bother waiting.
    I see no reasonable reason to form the commission. Waste of time and taxpayer money.
     
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    I read the news that's how are you denying it or pleading ignorance?
     
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    Nothing that Trump does is bipartisan, so the fact that he preaches bipartisanship isn't proof. Who is on the committee?
     
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    So you don't want the states to work together to better insure not just election integrity but also make sure better means of voter role purging insure it is more accurate, better ways to impliment voter ID, better ways to insure only citizens get to register.

    Have you even educated yourselve on what it ia they will be inquiring?
     
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    Pure and utter conjecture refuted by the facts you do know 2 Republican and 2 Democrat State Secretary's are on the commission?
     
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    States run their own elections. So no, I don't want them to work together, unless one is seeking assistance or wants to see the others system, to help them change to a system like theirs.
    This isn't a federal issue, voting is a states rights issue. Unless you big gov't RWers don't like states rights. Don't answer, we know the answer already.
    Every time R's get power, we lose more and more liberty. We lost a ton under GWB.
     
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    Interesting. Still don't trust his motives. Those four are charged with collecting information, and you don't need a bipartisan commission to do that.
     
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    So protecting sensitive security information, by both sides of the aisle I will remind you, from blue states like Colorado and deep red states like Kentucky, is "likely they are letting illegals vote" now?

    Come on dude, think with your head here.
     
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    Then let's get rid of the voting rights division of the DOJ. Let's stop the investigations into the state electoral elections. Those were all state matters.
    And states often come together to discuss issue so enough of the strawman.
     
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    Those four are charged with full participation in the hearings and development of recommendations.
     
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    Doesn't change anything for me. Trump can still use this info for nefarious purposes. He wants to prove that he won the popular vote,
    and my view is that he has more important issues to keep him very busy. He needs to start representing all of the voters in our
    country, instead of those who voted for him. His ego seems to get in the way of his brains, and he needs to back off.
     
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    Here in Florida you prove the validity of your absentee ballot by putting a stamp on it. But in reality if the point is that if to stop illegal voting you have to show a voter ID there is no way you can do this by mail. Stuffing something in the mail just doesn't cut it.
     
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    So you dont agree with the ERIC either?
     
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    I had to include it in the ballot envelope, after Nevada had verified my eligibility and sent me the ballot.
     
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    Exactly my point. If a voter ID is going to make a vote perfectly secure it has to be presented in person and the voter physically verified.

    Not by the way that I think there is really an actual need since there clearly is no evidence of significant voter fraud in any national election.

    Oh and just for fun I looked up absentee voting in Nevada. Turns out most voting by mail does not require voter ID in Nevada.


    " You’re only required to provide ID if you’re a first-time voter in Nevada, didn’t provide a copy of an ID when you registered to vote, and are voting by mail. Include a copy of one of the following with your mail ballot...."
     
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    Yes, I went thru all of that. I agree that there is no evidence of significant voter fraud. The only fraud is this latest scam.
     

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