Trump tweets racist attacks at progressive Democratic congresswomen

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.

    He sounds more like a modern feminist than trump.

    The fact still remains people of every color or racial type are in every continent or land.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump’s our leader, right? To hell with objectivity.

    Ever hear of German Blood? African Blood? Jewish Blood? American blood? English Blood. “Blood is thicker than water”. “It’s in my blood”.

    Sorry, but nationalism is an ideological form of racism, as in: You are who you are because of your race, your blood, your DNA; and while there is a biological base for physical characteristic, it’s you who determine the kind of being you are, and what you character is.

    If you want to state you’re an American because your born here, you have no conceptual understanding what it truly means—we judge the individual by his actions, not his accidents of birth.

    Ayn Rand: “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

    Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

    Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html

    And this is what you wish to give your moral sanction to? Most selfishly unwise.
     
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  3. Soupnazi

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    No it has nothing to do with trump being a leader. Objectively speaking he may have been stupid and rude but his tweet was in no way racist.

    Sorry but nationalism and racism are two different things. As you keep ignoring people of all races come from all places. African blood does not signify race as people of all races are born love and come from africa. Jewish blood can include many different races as can english blood

    Even racists do not consider geographic origin to be a sign of race. Such as the white south african apartheid regime which persecuted black africans.

    Yes racism is wrong but it does not mean nationalism Yes the two can be combined at times but they are not one and the same they are in fact separate concepts.

    The tweet was not racist at all and that ship has sailed
     
  4. Starjet

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    It’s you who are confusing biology with ideology. If American Nationalism isnt based on white Christian blood, then Trump is deceiving his base. I don’t think he’s kidding.

    Just what do you think Trump’s Nationalism is based on? Individual Rights? Capitalism? Reason? Nah. Fears, envies, and prejudices, as in, “Foreigners are taking over our country. An irrational fear that the Irish, Italians, Germans, Chinese, Japanese have faced, and the same rhetoric.
     
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    Most Americans recognize that Trump is a racist, but his racist fatwa aimed at four non-white women congressional freshmen with negligible legislative impact is a calculated political ploy.

    Why would any POTUS obsess over such relatively insignificant individuals, promote their profile, and tell transparent lies about them?

    He is pretending that his fake image of them is his opponent in 2020, because the real prospects are not to his liking.

    Just try asking a Trump bum kisser, "Can you provide exact, documented quotations to support Fake Don's lie that Ayanna Pressley has 'a record of saying anti-Semitic and anti-American things all the time!'? and he'll become flustered because he cannot. His dogmatic acceptance to his messiah's phony claim does not rely upon what is true.
     
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    No I am not actually

    Racists draw their ideology from perceived racial differences which are the result of biology. Not so much a result of origin of birth.


    Place of birth means nothing and that is why his tweet was not racist
     
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    Trump's racist tweets are so shameful.

    The chanting of the far right is so shameful.

    Those who defend that stuff are shame worthy.

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    Trump is not 'my leader'. Not only am I not American, but I wouldn't have voted for him. I'd have voted for Hillary (Bernie, actually .. but hey).

    I don't believe his tweets are racist, because he said nothing at all about race. He made a (clumsy) observation based on their politics of Progressivism and diviseness. If you refuse to see this, it means YOU need it to be about race. That's a reflection on you, not on Trump.
     
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    His tweets not racist

    Stating that fact is not defense of him or his tweets

    The tweet was dumb and not appropriate for a president but they were not racist
     
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    No it is NOT a form of racism. Not as long as your Country is welcoming migrants of every colour .. and America does just that. You are so very welcoming in fact, that People of Colour are at the top of your wealth/education stats. Nationalism is simply loving your country (no matter what colour you are), and wanting to protect it from outside invasion and destruction. It means you don't want the very wealth and freedoms so many take for granted, given away to shyster who feels like taking a piece.

    Meantime, you can look any way you please, speak any way you please (as long as you also speak fluent English) and eat whatever you like, but if you don't embrace the nation, you have no business in the country. The 'outsider' is the person who refuses to assimilate. They make themselves outsiders .. no one does it to them. Such people are not in your nation for love of the culture, the people, and the lifestyle - the only legitimate reasons for migrating. They are there to exploit you and yours. Why you think that's okay, is beyond any kind of reasoning.
     
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    American Nationalism is LOVING AMERICA. In 2019, those who love America and call it home are ethnically Koreans, Chinese, Indians, Africans, South Americans, Irish, Polish, Italians, Greeks, Filipinos, etc etc etc.

    YOU are the one who thinks brown people shouldn't love America. We colourblind folk don't think that. We know that citizens of every colour and birthplace can love their nation with as much fierce pride (often more so, since they fought so hard to be there LEGALLY, and never want it to end up like the places they came from) as any white hillbilly.
     
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    You’re playing semantics to give Trump a pass. You can live with it, do so; I don’t have the stomach for it.

    It was a wink and a nod at the Alt Right, as obvious as the grin on his face.
     
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    It simply was not racist.

    Not semantics but proper use of the word.

    You simply wish it to mean whatever you do not like
     
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    Oh, a Bernie fanatic—Want to see Bernie’s vision in reality? No worries; it’s already here. Via Maduro! Long Live the Collective. Hail to the selfless leader and his heroic fight against the living.

    Wait. I get it, Trumps tweets can’t be racist because you’re a Socialist and you don’t think they are. Ok. Best wishes on judgment day.
     
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    We disagree. You live with your decision; I’ll live with mine. Let’s see what reality Trump, his ideology of Nationalism, and his wink and a nod at the Alt-Right gives birth to, and then we both can face judgment day.

    Best wishes.
     
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    LOL. You keep following Trump, his Nationalism, and his vision for a walled in America. Let’s see if he takes us to the promise land of capitalism, individual rights, human flourishing, and peace and prosperity. Or if he’s just a precursor of a coming tyrant, dedicated to keeping America pure.
     
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    America? Under Trump? Welcoming immigrants? Well, who would of thought? Certainly not me.

    Loving your nation? As nothing more than an accident of birth? Without any reference to ideals? Principles? Values? Or an understanding of it leaders fidelity to those ideals, principle and values? And how reasonable is that?

    No thank you. I’ll swear allegiance to ideals and principles before I’ll kneel before the altar of Nationalism. I’d advise each human soul to do the same.
     
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    do u believe that racism against non-whites exists in the USA?
     
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    Certainly it exists. However, not everything said and/or actions taken are racist just because they are directed at a "non-white".
     
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    Of course it does

    But not nearly as much as progressives claim

    As many have pointed out progressives way over use words like racism , homophobia, misogyny, islamophobia and so on.

    These words are often used where they just do not apply.
     
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    like when you claimed the Civil Rights Act does not protect white men.
     
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    Its amazing that those who dwell on fear and hatred and nothing else project it on others..

    Anyone sane puts your country first.. That has nothing to do with race..

    That does not mean you dont care about others or are not willing to help others again you simply put your nations needs first..

    Its almost like we have a Representative government that is well..... Think of it.
     
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    So if your country is overrun by Nazis you have no problem fighting for it. Guess we are different. I stand by ideals, not accidents of birth.
     
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    I would bet that the democrat favorite FDR show said if you don't like it here you can leave is now labeled a racist. Right?
     
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    Over run by Nazi's what acid trip are you coming down from?
     
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